Taylor frustrated with Dawson

[Tosk]

If you read 50 Year Mission, there are stories about cast members, not Mulgrew, who also mistreated Ryan onnset. They are Unnamed, but Braga said he gave that actor dialogue about treating people with respect, directed at Seven of Nine in the episode, but meant for the actor.

By process of elimination: Roxann Dawson.

Can you steer me towards the passages that deal with that? I don't recall it, and my search has come up dry.

The only thing close I could find was Garrett Wang talking about Brannon injecting commentary towards him (and RDM and Beltran) getting a bit fatter at one point, and then goes on to say that the writers had Janeway teaching Seven a lesson it was them telling Kate how to treat Jeri.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Can you steer me towards the passages that deal with that? I don't recall it, and my search has come up dry.

The only thing close I could find was Garrett Wang talking about Brannon injecting commentary towards him (and RDM and Beltran) getting a bit fatter at one point, and then goes on to say that the writers had Janeway teaching Seven a lesson it was them telling Kate how to treat Jeri.

My memory might be off, because it seemed to me the dialogue in Message in a Bottle was in the same vein.

 

[Lynx]

Sometimes, the new kid on the block has trouble getting accepted, especially at first.

In this case I think a lot of it had to do with how the new kid became a member of the cast.

A good friend had been fired and then a replacement is brought in who is supposed to be the sex symbol and main star of the show while the others were shoved aside.

Understandable if the crew didn't react positively to such an act from those in charge.

Another example of how bad VOY was managed.

Unfortunately Ryan had to suffer.

 

[Oddish]

Another example of how bad VOY was managed.

Like it needed another.
My updated Voyager writer's quiz is up to 35 questions at this point. I haven't even managed to produce a quiz for the other shows, despite the problematic ENT and the cringe worthy early TNG episodes.

 

[Lynx]

Like it needed another.
My updated Voyager writer's quiz is up to 35 questions at this point. I haven't even managed to produce a quiz for the other shows, despite the problematic ENT and the cringe worthy early TNG episodes.

I look forward to see the new "Voyager writes quiz"!

 

[SatrianiRules]

I wonder if that was pure jealously. Ryan came in and was marketed as the male gaze sex symbol to sex up the show for more viewers. Other actors on the set could take that as someone invaded their show and the cast playing second fiddle.

This was inevitable, and that she would start to get more Seven-centric episodes, in which case stories about the other characters would be trimmed down, or eliminated. It's no doubt that she became the focus a little more but I'd like to think that it's because of her character arc(s). Even though she wore skin tight outfits and had the body of a greek goddess, I think it's fair to say that despite this, most shows never focused on that aspect, but more on her learning to be a non-Borg again.
Of course just having her on screen elicited tachycardia and that funny feeling you get in your groin, (like when you used to climb the rope in gym class).

maybe that, along with the fact that a few of the cast were close with Jennifer Lien off camera, I know Kate Mulgrew was incensed when they told her that Kes was going to be replaced..so probably some misplaced anger there as well.

the episode shift thing is nothing new...that has happened in other shows...'Lost in Space' became about Dr. Smith and the Robot every episode, Happy Days became the Fonzie show, MASH became the Hawkeye show.. 'Good Times' started as a family drama and became the Jimmy Walker (JJ) show and so on...

 

[Danja]

I was listening to the Inglorious Treksperts podcast dedicated to "Remembering Jeri Taylor." It's actually a really good interview with Bryan Fuller and Brannan Braga. Something that Fuller said really surprised me. He was talking about how protective Taylor could be of the female characters on Voyager. She was concerned about how they came across. However, she was particularly concerned that Roxann Dawson was coming off too aggressively, "too strident." Fuller agrees that Dawson acted with the character's strength far up front, something he thought was appropriate. On the other hand, Taylor thought that the performance would be too easily dismissed, perhaps one not, but also unlikable (as in not appropriate for a woman). Has anyone come across anything referencing this?

The character is supposed to be half-Klingon.

It goes without saying that B'Elanna is going to be aggressive.

Why is being "likable" never an issue for the guys?

 

[Dee1891]

That's VOY in a nutshell.

What do you mean?


Being "likeable" is never an issue for the guys because we live in a society that continues to be sexist.

 

[Oddish]

It seems like it was often difficult for the new arrival who had replaced another character. Diana Muldaur on TNG faced similar issues. Difference is, unlike Seven, her character was not all that popular with the fans.

It might have been easier for Michael Dorn on DS9, because he was an addition, not a replacement.

 

[AntonyF]

I wonder if that was pure jealously. Ryan came in and was marketed as the male gaze sex symbol to sex up the show for more viewers. Other actors on the set could take that as someone invaded their show and the cast playing second fiddle.

Possibly... also possible is that Mulgrew was awful towards Ryan and it's been established very clearly on TNG and DS9 how the captains set the tone for the rest of the cast. Not out of the realms of possibility that she emulated Mulgrew. Dawson has also shown how she's a very successful director, which I don't think she would be if she couldn't deal with actors well.

It's not impossible to think other issues led from that environment. We had Mulgrew being spiteful to Ryan, Dawson may have picked up on that. We also had Garrett Wang not taking it seriously and Beltran bad mouthing the show whenever he could... that could be part of that climate. Perhaps.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Let me remind everyone: this was how Taylor was observed to react to Dawson, not how Dawson may or may not have treated Ryan.

 

[SatrianiRules]

To me B'Lanna , in later episodes, showed a vulnerability and insecurity that made her much more appealing as a character, wrestling with Klingon tradition and her human side, and her pregnancy where she debated a termination of the pregnancy. She got to flex her chops for that one, and I think That was needed to expand her character arc.
The only thing I always had trouble buying was her falling in love with Tom, I'm not sure why but I feel like that was a bit quick and forced into the narrative.

 

[SatrianiRules]

The character is supposed to be half-Klingon.

It goes without saying that B'Elanna is going to be aggressive.

Why is being "likable" never an issue for the guys?

maybe it has to do with how that aggression is manifested.

 

[Lynx]

It seems like it was often difficult for the new arrival who had replaced another character. Diana Muldaur on TNG faced similar issues. Difference is, unlike Seven, her character was not all that popular with the fans.

It might have been easier for Michael Dorn on DS9, because he was an addition, not a replacement.

I think that it's natural for co-workers to react that way when a friend and co-worker is fired for dubious reasons.

It has happened in other areas too, not only when it comes to TV-entertainment.

I remember a top player in a hockey team who was really p***ed of when the team sold his best buddy and bought another player. The top player totally frtoze out the newcomer and didn't even pass the puck to him. The team solved the problem to the coming season by buying back the player they had sold.

 

[flandry84]

A story about how one actress was allegedly mean to another actress.
Trek bbs….”sexist men.”

 

[Oddish]

maybe it has to do with how that aggression is manifested.

She assaulted a superior and they frickin' promoted her for it. What more do you want?