What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The Vulcan Nerve Pinch might have some IRL application / usefulness if done correctly to the right pressure points.

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Intriguing.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Thanks for clarifying. I'll have to watch it again soon.

Post here if you do. Be interested to hear if you have a turnaround!

 

[Nyotarules]

"Is that David?" implies he knows what the kid looked like, several years earlier, and was confirming he recognized him. The implication to me is that whenever Kirk was on Earth he would visit Carol and David, but only as "Mom's old friend". How Carol reacted to him being on Earth "permanently" between TOS and TMP, is a matter for debate. David would have been about 10.

I find David's line, 'I'm proud to be your son' a bit strange, unless he means you're a good leader and I'm proud of that. David could not be proud of Kirk's paternal skills since he channelled his paternal skills on a large chunk of metal called Enterprise.
By STV Kirk forgot he had parents, a brother, nephew and a son with his 'people like us don't have family' line and 'I lost a brother once, but I got him back'.
Kirk would fill up a therapist's pension pot with his issues.

 

[Jayson1]

I find Davids line, 'I'm proud to be your son' a bit strange, unless he means you're a good leader and I'm proud of that. David could not be proud of Kirk's paternal skills since he channelled his paternal skills on a large chunk of metal called Enterprise.
By STV Kirk forgot he had parents, a brother, nephew and a son with his 'people like us don't have family' line and 'I lost a brother once, but I got him back'.
Kirk would fill up a therapist's pension pot with his issues.

He saw into Kirk's heart in how much he cared about Spock and forgave him for being a bad dad. He saw Kirk was more than this bad image of a man who he grew up thinking he was. That he actually did care about people and things other than just his career.

 

[Mudd]

Which, to be fair, is not the character seen in the show, who would have run down to engineering himself and not sat or his hands. Something changed. "Worn out."

Meyer definitely bent the character to his own dramatic and thematic ends. To his credit, he made such a popular movie that it revived interest in Trek and reshaped people's perceptions of the character. The downside was that the caretakers of the property discarded much of what had made it intriguing, because it didn't interest them or they didn't know how to approach it.

 

[Shawnster]

Which, to be fair, is not the character seen in the show, who would have run down to engineering himself and not sat or his hands. Something changed. "Worn out."

How do you figure? I'm interested in what examples from TOS inform your opinion

 

[Mudd]

How do you figure? I'm interested in what examples from TOS inform your opinion

The one that comes quickly to mind is the climax of "The Naked Time."

Or "Space Seed," for that matter. TOS Kirk knew where the fuck the engineering deck was and what to do there.

 

[Jayson1]

The one that comes quickly to mind is the climax of "The Naked Time."

Or "Space Seed," for that matter. TOS Kirk knew where the fuck the engineering deck was and what to do there.

But why did Kirk have that other guy fight Khan for him when trying to stop him? Even had the guy wear a uniform that looked like his.

 

[cooleddie74]

I NCC what you did there.

 

[Farscape One]

I find David's line, 'I'm proud to be your son' a bit strange, unless he means you're a good leader and I'm proud of that. David could not be proud of Kirk's paternal skills since he channelled his paternal skills on a large chunk of metal called Enterprise.
By STV Kirk forgot he had parents, a brother, nephew and a son with his 'people like us don't have family' line and 'I lost a brother once, but I got him back'.
Kirk would fill up a therapist's pension pot with his issues.

I think that was David's way of saying he was wrong about his judgment of Kirk and who he thought he was.

About those lines in ST V, the family one is more along the lines of "men like us don't have families of our own", meaning they are not suited for marriage.

And the brother one... if he had said "I lost my brother" instead of "I lost a brother", I might agree with you. Saying 'my' definitely means he only considered Spock his brother and totally forgets about Sam, while saying 'a' implies he had more than one brother... in this case, one biological one and one by deep friendship bond, this one being Spock.

How do you figure? I'm interested in what examples from TOS inform your opinion

"SPACE SEED", for example. He goes to engineering himself to get the ship under control.

Same with "THE NAKED TIME" after Scotty gets the door opened so he can get Riley out of there and stop the ship from burning into the atmosphere.


Though to be fair, Kirk did not know the internal workings of the refit Enterprise nearly as well as he did during his command in TOS. (TMP shows this explicitly at least twice, when he was asking for directions and when Decker countermanded his phaser order.) Now, he may very well have brushed up on her inner workings since TMP, but Kirk not running down to engineering himself to help solve the crisis keeps with one of the themes of the movie: Kirk feeling old and worn out.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

One of my favorite things about TWOK is the sense of loss and tiredness. I love the scene, a very quiet scene, where Bones gifts Kirk some glasses.

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Listen to how that ticking clock tick tick ticks through the whole scene, marking the passage of time.

It’s a lovely bit of work from all involved.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I find David's line, 'I'm proud to be your son' a bit strange, unless he means you're a good leader and I'm proud of that. David could not be proud of Kirk's paternal skills since he channelled his paternal skills on a large chunk of metal called Enterprise.
By STV Kirk forgot he had parents, a brother, nephew and a son with his 'people like us don't have family' line and 'I lost a brother once, but I got him back'.
Kirk would fill up a therapist's pension pot with his issues.

IIRC, in the TFF novelization, Kirk did mention something about Sam, with Spock also being considered a brother, lucky to have gotten him back, despite the loss of his real brother.

This would have obviously been too wordy for the moment on film, but FWIW, it wasn't completely forgotten.

 

[Nyotarules]

One of my favorite things about TWOK is the sense of loss and tiredness. I love the scene, a very quiet scene, where Bones gifts Kirk some glasses.

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Listen to how that ticking clock tick tick ticks through the whole scene, marking the passage of time.

It’s a lovely bit of work from all involved.

If I was rebooting TOS and it's movies, I would make Kirk a lot older. Turning 50 years old now is not old these days, in the 1980s when the movie was produced, 50 was considered fairly old but from the Trek universe perspective 50 human years is not even half way through the 23rd century human life span.

 

[137th Gebirg]

50 felt old to me...

 

[Jayson1]

Jim Carrey as a older TOS Kirk would be fun.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

He saw into Kirk's heart in how much he cared about Spock and forgave him for being a bad dad. He saw Kirk was more than this bad image of a man who he grew up thinking he was. That he actually did care about people and things other than just his career.

Or David Marcus was a bigger, more magnanimous man than his father.

 

[Nyotarules]

50 felt old to me...

Cos you live in 2025 not 2325

 

[Richard S. Ta]

If I was rebooting TOS and it's movies, I would make Kirk a lot older. Turning 50 years old now is not old these days, in the 1980s when the movie was produced, 50 was considered fairly old but from the Trek universe perspective 50 human years is not even half way through the 23rd century human life span.

46 here and I approach 50 with dread.

I think they made him 50, just ‘cause Shatner was 50.

 

[Maurice]

In the US Navy to captain a ship, you pretty much have to know how everything works, enough to be able to direct the people under your command. TMP Kirk getting command at the last second on a ship was a bunch of new systems was not the normal circumstance.

 

[Farscape One]

If I was rebooting TOS and it's movies, I would make Kirk a lot older. Turning 50 years old now is not old these days, in the 1980s when the movie was produced, 50 was considered fairly old but from the Trek universe perspective 50 human years is not even half way through the 23rd century human life span.

I'm 46, and I definitely don't feel as good as I did in my 20s or even 30s. 50 is almost certainly not going to be fun. You can most certainly feel worn out by 50, depending on what your jobs have been during those years.

And just because the life expectancy is over 100 doesn't mean it's high quality from, say, 50 - 80. Never mind ages past that point.