What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Jayson1]

The follow-up "Galaxy's Child" also teaches Geordi and the audience the value of always clearing your browser history.

Thing is the program is not even a sex program. The episode did sort of cheat by just showing that one moment. If she actually watched the whole program through she would realize she was getting mad at him for no good reason. Granted she does know he has romantic feelings for her so it doesn't take a genius to understand how that and masturbating go hand in hand(pun intended.) but at the same time that stuff should be private. What people are masturbating to on the holodeck during their private time, is nobodies business.

 

[korblborp]

this episode and the barclay incident does raise some questions about ownership of your own likeness in the holodeck age

 

[Jayson1]

Especially in a society without a money. It's not like on Earth people are going to be buying sex programs designed around the likeness of Troi. No doubt a issue outside of the Federation for sure and we sort of saw that on DS9 when that alien wanted Quark to make him a Kira sex program. My theory is people are less prudes about this stuff so generally don't care to much about the idea their might be strangers masturbating to them. Might seem weird to have people in your life doing it but like with real life masturbation is isn't exactly something people would likely openly discuss.

I think the one hard rule though is people can't access nude images or real people. If you want to make that Troi sex program for example you will have to use a stock holographic body much like a sophisticated case of photo shopping. I would think the only people, who might have access to that info would be medical doctors who have had see their patients nude for medical treatments.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

I think "Booby Trap" is fine. As Michael Piller put it, it's a story about a guy in love with his car.

"Galaxy's Child" has aged badly, mainly because when Leah Brahms is understandably creeped out by the fact that Geordi had a romantic interaction with a hologram based on her, Geordi gets indignant with her (his whole "I offered you friendship!" speech... ugh). Then by the end of the episode, she apologizes to him instead of the other way around, because he's a regular character and she isn't.

 

[kkt]

In some mirror universe

well, everything is opposite, so...

 

[fireproof78]

I think "Booby Trap" is fine. As Michael Piller put it, it's a story about a guy in love with his car.

"Galaxy's Child" has aged badly, mainly because when Leah Brahms is understandably creeped out by the fact that Geordi had a romantic interaction with a hologram based on her, Geordi gets indignant with her (his whole "I offered you friendship!" speech... ugh). Then by the end of the episode, she apologizes to him instead of the other way around, because he's a regular character and she isn't.

That's my biggest frustration. There's no real contrition on his part.

 

[Jayson1]

I think "Booby Trap" is fine. As Michael Piller put it, it's a story about a guy in love with his car.

"Galaxy's Child" has aged badly, mainly because when Leah Brahms is understandably creeped out by the fact that Geordi had a romantic interaction with a hologram based on her, Geordi gets indignant with her (his whole "I offered you friendship!" speech... ugh). Then by the end of the episode, she apologizes to him instead of the other way around, because he's a regular character and she isn't.

But that isn't even what happened. He didn't have a romance with the hologram. Maybe he found the hologram attractive but they were still just working to save the ship and then he turns it off at the end and I guess never went back. Also she was mad at him from the very start of the episode but it was always about the changes he did to her engine design and you know I think I would be pissed if someone came aboard and started insulting my job performance right from the very second they arrive.

Then she watches a holodeck recreation but apparently just the very end because all you do is have to push rewind to get the proper context of what happened. But in the end it really is a misunderstanding. It's a situation where you can see both sides and realize they were both kind of wrong. It should be noted that soon as she rejects his romantic dinner it's not like he continues to pursue her. They are no longer in conflict anymore until she takes the holodeck program out of context.

To me the episode is about the flaws of preconceived notions. Geordi has built up this idea of a women in his head based of a hologram program and assuming the real person will be just like the hologram. She also comes aboard expecting him to be this snobbish type. Someone who doesn't respect her work do to all the changes he has done to her engines while on the job. That bit where she expects him to make a argument about how she can't possibly understand his design changes because as a chief engineer he encounters things that someone like she can't possible understand y just working in lab situation. That is why my favorite scene is when Guinan sort of sets Geordi strait with visor comment. This scene.

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[The Wormhole]

Actually it's soon to be our own world as well

Pretty much our world already. In some way, the episode could be viewed as an allegory of a person who builds up a persona of someone else based only on their social media profiles only to meet that person in the real world and learn they're significantly different than they seem online.

 

[Jayson1]

Pretty much our world already. In some way, the episode could be viewed as an allegory of a person who builds up a persona of someone else based only on their social media profiles only to meet that person in the real world and learn they're significantly different than they seem online.

I agree. I guess it's always been part of society and I would say part our human nature. It's just modern tech makes even worst. I mean just look at the example in this episode. The computer actually does know some real stuff about Brahams. Favorite foods and speeches she has made. No doubt their is recorded images from work logs and so forth. In many ways it does capture part of who she really is. But it can never capture and replicate that persons soul. So the real person will always still be different than the holographic copy.

In real life you could do this as well. People's blogs and posts and tracking what someone watches and were they order food from. The algorithms understand us pretty well. Yet the real person can never truly be fully understood no matter how much data collection one might have access to. The only way to truly understand a person is to meet them in real life and take the time to know who they really are and even then their is stuff that nobody will ever know about a person except that very person.

Yet people still want to connect with people so we try and understand each other and sometimes we do see stuff we want to see and we do develop preconceived perceptions. I don't see that as creepy so much as just people being not perfect. If Geordi was creepy he would have kept hounding her even after she basically rejects him at that diner he set up. He would have made keeping track of the real Brahams a obsession all with the hopes of someday meeting her and wooing her. Yet it seems like after the first episode he more or less moved on from the experience after shutting down the program. I suppose he could have erased the program but my assumption is just didn't think he or anyone would ever go watch it and just kind of didn't.

 

[fireproof78]

The only way to truly understand a person is to meet them in real life and take the time to know who they really are and even then their is stuff that nobody will ever know about a person except that very person.

This was the highest demand of Greek philosophical thought was for a man to know himself. Even that is a journey for how many engage in the self reflection that such awareness would require?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Controversial Opinion.

Destroying Romulus was an excellent idea. I wish they’d bring it back and then destroy it again, over and over again.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

Controversial Opinion.

Destroying Romulus was an excellent idea. I wish they’d bring it back and then destroy it again, over and over again.

And it's really a missed opportunity for Picard to have followed up on - a destabilized region of space with hundreds of millions of refugees and various factions fighting for control.
Instead, they decided to do the whole renegade androids/Data's daughter thing.

 

[Turtletrekker]

And it's really a missed opportunity for Picard to have followed up on - a destabilized region of space with hundreds of millions of refugees and various factions fighting for control.
Instead, they decided to do the whole renegade androids/Data's daughter thing.

Agreed. I thought the worlds and status quo of the former neutral zone made for the richest storytelling playground that we have seen in modern Trek, but absolutely nothing has been done with it since introducing it.

 

[Jayson1]

Controversial Opinion.

Destroying Romulus was an excellent idea. I wish they’d bring it back and then destroy it again, over and over again.

I agree. It helped create a new political situation that the Federation has to deal with. Lots of drama could have been made from that. I bet you lots of it would have as well if we had gotten our beloved Legacy series.

 

[cooleddie74]

And it's really a missed opportunity for Picard to have followed up on - a destabilized region of space with hundreds of millions of refugees and various factions fighting for control.
Instead, they decided to do the whole renegade androids/Data's daughter thing.

Yep. I liked most of PIC Season 1, but damn, did they miss out on telling a much better story than they did.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Yep. I liked most of PIC Season 1, but damn, did they miss out on telling a much better story than they did.

I am an avid defender of Picard season 1, and I still have to agree with this.

 

[Jayson1]

Picard season 1 is decent until it drops the ball at the end. If season 2 had been at least as good as season 1 we might not have been given the TNG love fest of season 3. So maybe season 2 wasn't so bad after all. We were meant to suffer before being rewarded. We were treated like Jesus. Nailed to a cross to suffer unspeakable pain in season 2. Only to be lifted up by a God and ushered into a heaven like experience in season 3.

 

[fireproof78]

Picard season 1 is decent until it drops the ball at the end. If season 2 had been at least as good as season 1 we might not have been given the TNG love fest of season 3. So maybe season 2 wasn't so bad after all. We were meant to suffer before being rewarded. We were treated like Jesus. Nailed to a cross to suffer unspeakable pain in season 2. Only to be lifted up by a God and ushered into a heaven like experience in season 3.

 

[cooleddie74]

The AI space tentacles from another dimension and the Romulan Prophecy just put a real damper on tbe season finale. At this point the copy-and-paste Riker fleet is a distant third when it comes to problems with the Season 1 finale.

 

[Jayson1]

Kurtzman does love his space tentacles. He brought them back for Discovery as well. Let's hope he has gotten it out of his system.