Or they're not doing a 100% faithful adaptation.
Dune [Part 3] Messiah 2027 (28, 29, 30...)
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I'm inclined to be forgiving in this regard. Even Peter Jackson couldn't be completely faithful when adapting "The Lord of the Rings". And the Dune Series may be an even more difficult nut to crack...
With the end of Dune 2 it was evident they are not making a 100% adaptation but they are keeping faithful to the themes of Dune and that's what's important.
I can't stand fans who want a book or comic translated 100% from page to screen and not accounting for the differences in mediums and the sad part is that no two die hard fans with this attitude would agree that a 100% adaptation would have been done correctly and they would argue extremely tiny details to death to prove this adaptation is crap ( we have some of these types here on this board too).
I have faith that Villeneueve understood the task when he took on this project after having seen his movies so i see no reason to doubt him when he does Messiah.
If the studio decides to continue the story ( chances are not bad given how much money the movies made) the following director and writer will have everything laid out for them and i hope they follow in the footsteps to further faithfully adapt the material, at least until God Emperor to finish up the entire Atreides saga.
Good that you used technically instead of Akshually
I know that but the Atreides name was practically gone by that era even if its descendants were central characters in those books so for all intents and purposes that family story if you want to call it that ends with God Emperor and the execution of the final plan which would make for a good ending point to the entire universe.
God knows i don't want a repeat of the Game of Thrones fiasco.
Oh so this is probably going to be a mixture of Messiah and Children like Syfy did.
So if the third movie is dealing with Dune Messiah, why do they need young adult actors to play infants? All they would need would be someone to play baby Leto's voice, as he has some weird telepathic conversation with Paul, telling him to "look through my eyes, Father" (Paul is completely blind at this point, due to the stone burner radiation).
Alia is 16 years old at this point. Dune takes place over a 4-year period, and Dune Messiah begins 12 years later. It covers less than a year, going by what seems to be an accelerated pregnancy for Chani, once she discovers Irulan's treachery and goes back to a traditional Fremen diet. So it might cover a year at most, but the twins are still just newborn infants at the end.
My takeaway from this is that Villeneuve didn't want to bother casting a child actor to play child Alia as she was supposed to be in the original source material, and also eliminate the sideplot of child Alia basically being raised by Harah, the wife/servant Paul inherited from Jamis? Jessica was so freaked out by having given birth to a Pre-Born who, by the Bene Gesserit rules, should have been killed, that she had no real idea how to deal with her as a normal child. Among the BG, Alia wouldn't have been allowed to survive.
Oh, noes, you think there's a smidgen of a chance it's not going to be a faithful adaptation? These movies weren't faithful from the get-go.
There's a difference between not being faithful because it's technically difficult or would take much more money than is in the budget (in which case you try to find a more inexpensive workaround to stay faithful to the source material) and just throwing the source material out the airlock and saying screw it, the old fans won't remember and the new fans won't know the difference - and thus disrespecting the audience and the original creator (Frank Herbert) in a way I find particularly distasteful.
I have nothing to say about Peter Jackson/Lord of the Rings, because I haven't seen those movies, nor have I read Tolkien's books. I have, on the other hand, read the Dune books, the Dune Encyclopedia (Frank Herbert approved of it) and seen both the Lynch adaptation (and read Ed Naha's behind the scenes "making of" book) and the two miniseries dozens of times over the past 40 years. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about in this respect when it comes to Original Dune.
What do you consider "tiny details"? And keep in mind that there are many franchises that have been adapted from format to format and fans have argued incessantly over tiny details. For instance, I don't care if Kirk's shirt is gold and green or green and gold or green or gold. I just care that it's somewhere in that vicinity and not purple or a red lumberjack pattern. Ditto the warp nacelle color. It's not a detail I ever noticed, so it doesn't matter to me.
Chani taking Irulan's place as the narrator at the start? That does matter to me. Irulan is the historian, not Chani.
Genderswapping Liet-Kynes and omitting the fact that Chani is Liet-Kynes' daughter by Faroula, who was Stilgar's sister? I take exception to that. It changes the dynamics and relationships of the people who are in charge of Sietch Tabr. Given how the social dynamics of a sietch is supposed to be, the only way for Chani to mouth off about Stilgar's accent and way of thinking would be if she was already a full-fledged Sayyadina - who would not do that.
Sayyadinas advise the Naibs. Sayyadinas keep the tribe's history and offer the wisdom gained from their Other Memories. They don't make fun of the Naib and then rage-flounce. They don't get to make the military decisions for the tribes.
If he "understood" the task, he wouldn't have omitted the things that should have been there, and he wouldn't have added what was unnecessary, and changed what shouldn't have been changed.
The book version of God Emperor is a snoozefest for the most part, with brief bits of interesting action. Any director who could pull the interesting parts together and omit most of Emperor Leto's Self-Pity Party and make it interesting, without changing what would make it authentic Dune would be someone I could respect.
Good that you used technically instead of Akshually
I know that but the Atreides name was practically gone by that era even if its descendants were central characters in those books so for all intents and purposes that family story if you want to call it that ends with God Emperor and the execution of the final plan which would make for a good ending point to the entire universe.
God knows i don't want a repeat of the Game of Thrones fiasco.
It's made clear from the get-go that Darwi Odrade is a descendant of Siona Atreides and Duncan Idaho the Umpteenth (the Dune Encyclopedia, published before Heretics of Dune was released, refers to the Duncan in God Emperor as Duncan-the-Last... because in the novel Duncan asks Leto if he ever bothered to ask any of the many versions of Duncan Idaho if they'd wanted to be resurrected into a future where everyone they'd known and loved was long dead and the society in which they found themselves was one they couldn't possibly understand?
Leto was genuinely shocked. This is something he had never considered asking, because it simply never occurred to him that Duncan Idaho might have been against being brought back as a ghola even once, let alone hundreds of times. But then, being Leto, he doesn't have an epiphany and realize that he shouldn't do that anymore. According to the Encyclopedia article, this particular Duncan had his genetic material destroyed and orders left so that after his death, there would be no more Duncan Idaho gholas.
Which the Bene Gesserit promptly ignored, of course, when we leapfrog another 1500 years to Heretics. Naturally Duncan couldn't have hoped to destroy ALL the available genetic material. The BG would have had samples, and it would have been easy to bribe whoever dealt with the remains of Duncan-the-Last when it finally was his time to die.
Btw, please don't anyone squawk at me about spoilers. These books have been available to read for over 40 years, and I do in fact recommend them even though there are a few scenes that might make people uncomfortable. I'm not going to tiptoe around them.
At least Alia was the correct age at the beginning of the Children of Dune miniseries. They aged the twins by about 7 or 8 years, but I understand why. Child actors couldn't possibly have done justice to the adult concepts that Leto and Ghanima had to deal with, and there's one particular scene between Leto and Sabiha that would have been inappropriate between a child actor and an adult actress.
Agreed. I applaud his efforts and how he had told the story.
Paul: "that's weird, my son looks like Duncan Idaho for some reason"
People are rightfully cautious about nepo babies. For every Lewis Pullmann or Taylor Dearden ( Dr. Mel King from The Pitt, daughter of Bryan Cranston) you have one Jayden Smith, son of Will Smith.
And for every Jayden Smith we got Jack Quaid, Lily Collins, Margaret Qualley, Maya Hawke..
I like Nicholas Cage though...
Denis Villeneuve’s ‘Dune 3’ Gets Official Title, Will Be Shot With Imax Cameras
Denis Villeneuve's 'Dune 3' has an official title and will have sequences shot with Imax cameras.
variety.com
I know people like to make jokes about all the "_____ of Dune" titles used for the novels, but damn it those are a bit more creative than just calling each movie "Part #"
I will be curious to see what part 3 brings.Denis Villeneuve’s ‘Dune 3’ Gets Official Title, Will Be Shot With Imax Cameras
Denis Villeneuve's 'Dune 3' has an official title and will have sequences shot with Imax cameras.
Only 3 of them had the "_____ of Dune" title.
Of course I'm talking about the real novels, not the nuDune garbage.
Honestly, with how things are in the world right now, I can understand him not wanting to us a word that has religious meaning in the title. Not saying that that is his reasoning, but I can get it.
The more logical reason would be people thinking why was part 2 simply part 2, and part three called Messiah. I wouldn't be surprised if there are enough people that have no idea parts 1 and 2 were one book and part three is book 2.
The more logical reason would be people thinking why was part 2 simply part 2, and part three called Messiah. I wouldn't be surprised if there are enough people that have no idea parts 1 and 2 were one book and part three is book 2.
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