What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[James Cole]

PICARD season 2 is going to replay very differently now for at least the next 4 years... practically breaking the fourth wall on multiple, uh, items.

Just imagine if they'd set the date as 2025/2026 and not 2024...

 

[FormerLurker]

The second thing is that in order for the Federation to as it were, mind control had to be implemented, to a mild extent. Landru was a major extent, Val, was far more than that.

What, exactly, does the emboldened part mean?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

You had to ask.

 

[Tallguy]

This is also why Elon Musk's Starships keep failing

"Since April 2023, the SpaceX Starship has been launched 9 times, with 4 successes and 5 failures."

Those Romulans need to try HARDER.

PICARD season 2 is going to replay very differently now for at least the next 4 years... practically breaking the fourth wall on multiple, uh, items.

Just imagine if they'd set the date as 2025/2026 and not 2024...

I'm pretty sure they thought the election was going to go a different way when they wrote it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Two things:

The first is that Gene Roddenberry had actual contact with Romulans. Why Romulans? Because of the episode 'Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow ', they kept trying...Why? We were the final solution. Such that No Starship Enterprise will ever exist. This is also why Elon Musk's Starships keep failing. We are now part of the Romulan Star Empire.

The second thing is that in order for the Federation to as it were, mind control had to be implemented, to a mild extent. Landru was a major extent, Val, was far more than that.

Time traveling Romulans is why TOS was canceled.

 

[Jayson1]

Time traveling Romulans is why TOS was canceled.

I though it was because Benny Russell ran out of wall to write on in his padded room? When he finally was able to get out and return to society he was a much older man and thus started writing the TOS movies.

 

[knightgrace]

Time traveling Romulans is why TOS was canceled.

Now you are beginning to get it.

On another point, please reread the novel 'Star Trek: The Motion Picture, .' There is a footnote at the bottom of one of the pages describing how mind-control was in obvious active use up to 2047...

As to the competence of Time traveling Romulans, I can't say. But Gene Roddenberry has a great deal to answer for...

In the Romulans defense, however trying to figure out the full complexities of the 'Law of unintended consequences ' is a bit much...

 

[Ovation]

Controversial opinion: Just watched Section 31 movie. It is NOT the worst Trek ever made.


(I'd rank it in the bottom quarter, but ahead of some episodes of each series, except SNW--it's not ahead of any of that series' episodes thus far).

 

[Mage]

Controversial opinion: Just watched Section 31 movie. It is NOT the worst Trek ever made.


(I'd rank it in the bottom quarter, but ahead of some episodes of each series, except SNW--it's not ahead of any of that series' episodes thus far).

Oh yeah, there is definitely worse out there in Trek than Section 31. Not a lot mind you, but it's there.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not all that moved by the OTOY stuff. Appreciate the technology, though.

Pick up your torches on the left and pitchforks on the right.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Not all that moved by the OTOY stuff. Appreciate the technology, though.

Pick up your torches on the left and pitchforks on the right.

I certainly appreciate the tech and it's implications for the future of filmmaking, and I thought the tribute to Leonard Nimoy was touching, but as far as the story goes, it's a fun bit of fan service (not that that's always a bad thing) and not much more than that. Hardly what the future of Star Trek should be, despite what some of the Shatner fans like to think.

 

[Tallguy]

Not all that moved by the OTOY stuff. Appreciate the technology, though.

Pick up your torches on the left and pitchforks on the right.

It's neat. But there is too much about it narratively that is navigating around production realities, both technological and legal.

The "three Kirk's" scene is the one part that really gets to me. And even then, I want them to talk to each other. But they can't because that's not what this is.

None of it feels effortless. It was a ton of work and BOY does it feel like it.

 

[FormerLurker]

Pick up your torches on the left and pitchforks on the right.

But then my hands are full.

 

[cooleddie74]

OTOY gave me more feels than DSC or any of PIC before Season 3 of the latter, that's for sure.

 

[knightgrace]

But then my hands are full.

Awwwwe....

 

[fireproof78]

Not all that moved by the OTOY stuff. Appreciate the technology, though.

Pick up your torches on the left and pitchforks on the right.

I enjoyed it for what it was, and it had a bit of emotional movement as a tribute to Shatner and Nimoy and their characters. I always appreciate Sam Witwer who is an underappreciated talent in my opinion.

I certainly appreciate the tech and it's implications for the future of filmmaking, and I thought the tribute to Leonard Nimoy was touching, but as far as the story goes, it's a fun bit of fan service (not that that's always a bad thing) and not much more than that. Hardly what the future of Star Trek should be, despite what some of the Shatner fans like to think.

It is definitely not what the future should be.

 

[CoveTom]

Honestly, I did not care for the OTOY stuff and I don't understand the reverence it has gotten.

I wouldn't mind seeing Shatner in a true, official Trek production one more time given his age and how long it has been since he "officially" portrayed Captain Kirk. However, I am also quite skeptical of modern Hollywood and modern Trek and I have my doubts they could ever get it right. Still, although many here were not, I was very happy with season 3 of Picard and if they could achieve something like that with Shatner, I'd be there for it.

All that being said, the TOS crew got a very fine sendoff in TUC and I think the TNG crew got an excellent sendoff (finally) with season 3 of Picard. I think it's time to move on from TOS/TNG. And in that, I also include remakes/reboots/reimagingings of those too.

If they're going to go back and do any sort of continuation of old Trek, I'd rather see the focus be on DS9 since it has gotten so little love over the years. Even Voyager's story has gotten continued in Picard and Prodigy. But other than the fact that the changelings showed up, very little love has been shown for DS9 except in Lower Decks.

I don't know if any of that is controversial per se, but I feel like much of it goes against prevailing opinions around here, so it is what it is.

 

[cooleddie74]

Damn, more than 60 years later the very first Enterprise bridge design from the first pilot still looks damn good. In some ways better than the regular series TOS bridge. The metallic and grey colors work so well with the vibrant, colorful console displays.

 

[CoveTom]

Damn, more than 60 years later the very first Enterprise bridge design from the first pilot still looks damn good. In some ways better than the regular series TOS bridge. The metallic and grey colors work so well with the vibrant, colorful console displays.

Agreed. The pilot bridge looks timeless while the TOS bridge, while still looking good, looks more of the 60's.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Personally I prefer the TOS update, though you're not alone in thinking that the original colour scheme looks less dated as they went back to it for the Motion Picture.