TAS Aliens Question

[Yuri Nikolayev]

Hello, I have a question about the various alien species seen on TAS… obviously excluding the species seen on the Enterprise bridge, which ones were specifically mentioned as being members of the Federation? If I could have a list of either character or species names, I’d really appreciate it. TIA.

 

[fireproof78]

A brief review doesn't seem to specify if any of the aliens are Federation member but there's actually quite a variety: http://www.danhausertrek.com/AnimatedSeries/Lifeforms.html

 

[Therin of Andor]

Hello, I have a question about the various alien species seen on TAS… obviously excluding the species seen on the Enterprise bridge, which ones were specifically mentioned as being members of the Federation? If I could have a list of either character or species names, I’d really appreciate it. TIA.

Sources such as "Star Trek Maps" suggested the Aurelians as being UFP members, since one has access to the top secret Guardian of Forever. Many sources put the Skorr as the same species.

The Nasat (novel name for Em/3/Green's people) appear to be working on Starfleet vessels in the SCE eBooks.

I once suggested it to Michael Jan Friedman , and he agreed with my speculation, that Sord of "The Jihad" is probably Gnalish (original species to the novels), in particular of the relatively smaller Fejjimaera sub-species which he had introduced in "Stargazer: Progenitor".

The Cygnians of TAS seem to be the same species as the big-eyed Starfleet nurse in the 2009 Kelvinverse movie.

The Pandronians are another possibility, since they send an observer in "Bem" and one turns up in "Lower Decks".

 

[Christopher]

Hello, I have a question about the various alien species seen on TAS… obviously excluding the species seen on the Enterprise bridge, which ones were specifically mentioned as being members of the Federation? If I could have a list of either character or species names, I’d really appreciate it. TIA.

In onscreen dialogue, none of them.

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The only mentions of any species' membership status are in cases where they're clearly stated not to be members, e.g. the Phylosians, Lactrans, Pandronians, and Dramians.

For that matter, it wasn't even clear if Arex and M'Ress's species were Federation members, since we know it's possible for individuals from non-member worlds to serve in Starfleet (e.g. Worf and Nog).

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I think it can be safely inferred that Orions are still not Federation members, because of these lines [transcript]:

ORION [on viewscreen]: Enterprise, we demand that you cease your pursuit immediately. I must protest, as a representative of a neutral planet.​

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ORION: No, Captain. I can't trust that you won't report this incident to Starfleet. If you do, my planet will lose its neutrality and be subject to Federation retaliation.​

If Orion were a Federation member, Orions collectively would probably not be "of a neutral planet" or "neutral." Reference regarding their neutrality was made in "The Pirates of Orion" to "Journey to Babel," and in that TOS episode they were also implied not to be Federation members, but rather one of the neutral parties besides the Federation.

The status of the Skorr in "Jihad" cannot be as safely inferred. I believe the implication is that they are not Federation members, especially because Spock says, "The warrior races of the Federation will rise up to battle the Skorr" [transcript], which is how one would talk about an external threat, but even that line could still be read the other way.

Also I think that between the lines it's suggested in "The Survivor" that Vendor is not a Federation member, but as @Christopher says, it's not stated definitively, and I would agree that it could be read either way. (edit - My opinion about Vendor has been revised, see below.)

 

[Christopher]

Orions are self-evidently not Federation members. "Neutral" is unambiguous. They're a rogue state whose government uses the pretense of political neutrality to give itself deniability for the actions of its privateers (pirates working on behalf of a government). They wanted to sabotage the admission of Coridan into the Federation so that it would be fair game for non-Federation powers like themselves. There's no question of that.

Vendor is definitely not a member of the Federation or any other interstellar polity. As Spock said, "Their planet is quarantined, and few people ever do see them. Their ability to rearrange their molecular structure into anything with the same general size and mass and their practise of deceit as a way of life puts them off limits." So they're an isolated rogue nation that nobody trusts. Kirk even says that the Romulans are violating the treaty by using a Vendorian spy, which suggests that Vendorian spies may have been used in the Earth-Romulan War, presumably by the Romulans.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Vendor is definitely not a member of the Federation or any other interstellar polity. As Spock said, "Their planet is quarantined, and few people ever do see them. Their ability to rearrange their molecular structure into anything with the same general size and mass and their practise of deceit as a way of life puts them off limits." So they're an isolated rogue nation that nobody trusts. Kirk even says that the Romulans are violating the treaty by using a Vendorian spy, which suggests that Vendorian spies may have been used in the Earth-Romulan War, presumably by the Romulans.

Oh, right. The "off limits" line makes it pretty unambiguous that Vendor is not a member. I'd overlooked that line. The idea of a quarantine could conceivably have several different meanings, some of which would not necessarily preclude Federation membership. But with Spock's line there, I'll go with that it can be safely inferred that they're not Federation members.

 

[publiusr]

They spook the Feds like the Talosians did…It would be funny if they spied on the Founders

 

[somebuddyX]

This is unrelated to OP's question but have you guys seen Ikarus1701's Youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/@Ikarus1701
They've been doing TAS stuff

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[johnnybear]

The Orry On debate continues but it wasn't Shatner who started the trouble. Having watched the episode on Sunday I find that Mr.Arex referred to the design of their ship and it's symbols as Orry On instead of O'Ryan or should I say Orion as I don't want to start another topic on the subject myself.
JB

 

[johnnybear]

It was very clever yes but why the changes in Klingon biology and especially the transporter effects!!!!
JB

 

[MarcKle1964]

I still like TMP's transporter effect the best. Wish they'd kept using it.

 

[Christopher]

I still like TMP's transporter effect the best. Wish they'd kept using it.

I always found it kind of weird.

 

[MarcKle1964]

I always found it kind of weird.

It seemed more like it was putting you back together while keeping the gnats and pollen out, rather than the growing you back together from the middle out sfx without shielding we usually saw.

 

[Christopher]

I was talking more about how the TMP transporter shimmer looked like a still graphic with a distortion lens effect applied to it, or something like that.

 

[Redfern]

I found TMP's transporter effect rather...flat, 2D compared to the "reality" of the setting and the people being "beamed". It probably would have looked very dramatic if applied to cel styled animation, but when matted upon a live performer in a practical stage setting...meh. It almost had a CSO (color separation overlay) feel to it, merely lacking the scan line or pixelation pattern that are the telltale signs of a video effect.

 

[Maurice]

Which is weird because it was laser light shot through broken crystals IIRC.

 

[johnnybear]

For myself the transporter effects of the original series were the best and have never been beat.
JB

 

[Redfern]

Which is weird because it was laser light shot through broken crystals IIRC.

If others love it, well, great! I certainly won't admonish others' appreciation. But it it just never really "clicked" for me. On the other hand, the the opticals created to depict the merging/ascension for Decker, Ilia and V'ger...that had "depth" that I thought the transporter effect lacked. A "dialed back variation upon that I personally would have liked for a beaming effect.

Oh, I should clarify, the cylindrical "halo" that bridged the floor and ceiling pads, that I liked! (I assume that was the laser created portion?) But what swirled within the outline of the subject being transported, that's the element that didn't satisfy me. I perceived it as a flat kaleidoscope effect (with ripples added), like a color bleached opening to a "Disney's Wonderful World of Color" broadcast.

That defined column effect does beg my following speculation. We only saw characters materializing upon transporter daises with that laser generated element connecting the upper and lower pads. I wonder how they (the effects crew) would have done the materialization effect for an open environment, no receiving platform like the surface of the planet? Would they have feathered that column? Would they have opted for an ellipsoid or maybe a capsule shape? I mean a crisply defined column would look odd in an open setting.

Sorry, just rambling, gang.

 

[FredH]

I think my favorite transporter effect was that used in movies II-VI, particularly the time or two when we saw characters moving and talking while still in transport. It was visually distinct enough to be used in the opening credits of one of the films (I’ve forgotten which).