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Spoilers Russell T. Davies Returns to Doctor Who as New Showrunner

Having such a young and hip cast as Smith, Gillan and Darvill was absolute dynamite for the show. They were rock stars for a while there. It definitely felt like the show at it's peak. They were coming up to the 50th Anniversary, Moffat was flying high with this and Sherlock
My read on my conversations with BBC America in the 2010-2013 period is that if they could have gotten five seasons of Matt, Karen, and Arthur they would have been overjoyed. The people I spoke with really liked that team. I sometimes think if they could have filmed in Montreal (like Copper did) instead of Cardiff, we'd have gotten more out of that team.

and David Yates wanted to make a Doctor Who movie.
He did eventually. It's just called Fantastic Beasts. :)
 
I would love to get the full story on that Yates movie one day. You have Moffat insisting it wasn't true while the Sony email leak showed it was. All very odd.
 
They didn’t like each other, because they were so similar. That was sort of the point. They saw themselves, and didn’t think such bloodstained people should be hanging around with someone as good as Clara. It was a sort of riff on dramas where the dad doesn’t like the boyfriend the daughter brings home, because he knows what boys are like. Only less sitcom, or soap opera, and more kitchen sink drama because it’s about war and trauma.
I get the intent. But at least for me it didn't work because the Doctor looked so much worse. Seemed too uncharacteristic. It seemed to actually have racist elements to it as well.
 
Tom Spilsbury, who's very connected in the DW world (former DWM editor among other things), is not confident in the series returning any time soon. As in prepare for it being multiple years away, if ever. And he says that's coming from talking to people involved with the series.
Dang. I was prepared for a multiple year wait. Not happy but prepared. But the "if ever" part is depressing. Although, I do feel like it's bound to return at some point. But it could be a long wait.

The BBC will want to bring it back but it's probably a matter of finding the funding/partnership and the right showrunner. They'll want RTD to say, but with a delay, he might want/need to move on to something else more immediate. And finding a DW showrunner is difficult!
 
Dang. I was prepared for a multiple year wait. Not happy but prepared. But the "if ever" part is depressing. Although, I do feel like it's bound to return at some point. But it could be a long wait.
See, this is why it's vital to cite sources: Did Spilsbury actually say "if ever" or is that @Rich Watson reading and interpreting between the lines. I agree it's not looking good but it's important to understand what's actually been stated and recognize where that information is coming from before spiraling (yeah, yeah, I've met the Internet).
 
I get the intent. But at least for me it didn't work because the Doctor looked so much worse. Seemed too uncharacteristic. It seemed to actually have racist elements to it as well.

I don’t think Racism was there at all. Unless we see that in every interaction of any kind of negativity between two characters with different skin colours. You may as well say it was Danny being that way, cos he assumed the Doctors position based on his perceived ethnicity.

They made it crystal clear it was a soldier thing, hammering it over and over again, and at the same time showed it was both hypocritical and two way between them. Danny had a chip on his shoulder about ‘officer class’ and the doctor about ‘soldiers’ in general. It’s not even a new thing for the Doctor. Which is why CyberBrig does make thematic sense, even if it’s a step too far.

The whole thing is about people who unthinkingly follow orders, and those who unthinkingly give them. Rank and class and power, and the weight thereof.
 
See, this is why it's vital to cite sources: Did Spilsbury actually say "if ever" or is that @Rich Watson reading and interpreting between the lines. I agree it's not looking good but it's important to understand what's actually been stated and recognize where that information is coming from before spiraling (yeah, yeah, I've met the Internet).
It's Outpost Gallifrey, and since one is not allowed to quote from there without risking a banning, I won't quote from there. I'm looking through Spilsbury's posts now.

On June 21st (this is my characterization of his comments), he basically says it's like the cancellation after Season 26 -- the show is effectively done right now as the BBC hasn't commissioned anything further. Also, the TARDIS set will remain standing until BBC Wales needs the studio space for something else. And the BBC has to wait for Disney's option to expire before they can really shop the series to other coproducing partners, which he thinks will take time (a Wilderness Years gap?) and makes a fresh relaunch more likely. In other words, just as RTD didn't bring back Paul McGann to launch his series in 2005, a new producer may not bring back Billie Piper to launch theirs in 2030.

My read of Spilsbury's comments is generally a positive though realistic one, and he stresses there are many options the BBC can take, though he feels that an all in-house production is unlikely in the current and foreseeable television landscape.

ETA: Spilsbury at no point used the words "if ever."
 
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Do we have any idea how long before Disney's option expires?

I wonder what, if any, impact the success (or not) of The War Between the Land and the Sea will have on the parent show's future?
 
Thank you for that in-depth response, Allyn. Having been a regular at Outpost Gallifrey in the past, I fully understand that stipulation but I appreciate you providing a summary of Spilsbury's comments.

As for what he actually said, I'm not entirely surprised (but disappointed) on what is most likely going on behind the scenes. The one thing I didn't think about before is Disney's option to renew. How long is that option and is there any chance Disney will give the BBC a break by telling them to go ahead and shop around (as has already been rumored) or will we have to wait the full period?

If the latter, this will whole situation will feel awfully similar to what happened with the Marvel Netflix shows and having to wait for Netflix's rights revert back to Marvel (obviously the actual scenario is very different, I just mean how us viewers feel from the outside).
 
It's Outpost Gallifrey, and since one is not allowed to quote from there without risking a banning, I won't quote from there. I'm looking through Spilsbury's posts now.

On June 21st (this is my characterization of his comments), he basically says it's like the cancellation after Season 26 -- the show is effectively done right now as the BBC hasn't commissioned anything further. Also, the TARDIS set will remain standing until BBC Wales needs the studio space for something else. And the BBC has to wait for Disney's option to expire before they can really shop the series to other coproducing partners, which he thinks will take time (a Wilderness Years gap?) and makes a fresh relaunch more likely. In other words, just as RTD didn't bring back Paul McGann to launch his series in 2005, a new producer may not bring back Billie Piper to launch theirs in 2030.

My read of Spilsbury's comments is generally a positive though realistic one, and he stresses there are many options the BBC can take, though he feels that an all in-house production is unlikely in the current and foreseeable television landscape.

ETA: Spilsbury at no point used the words "if ever."
I didn't think the "if ever" was realistic. Obviously, the BBC is going to want it back on the air. Also, when there were those discussions about the BBC shopping it around to other potential partners, I did wonder if it was even possible. I doubted the Disney option had expired yet. Sounds like that might be the case.

So, perhaps not several years but hopefully not more than 5 or so!

Thanks for sharing your take on his comments!
 
Do we have any idea how long before Disney's option expires?

I wonder what, if any, impact the success (or not) of The War Between the Land and the Sea will have on the parent show's future?
They surely won't expire before The War Between the Land and the Sea airs. But, yeah, I wonder how much afterwards?

I would be surprised if Land and Sea changed their minds. If the main series didn't convince them, it's hard to imagine the spinoff convincing them even if it does well. Or maybe Disney just renews the spinoff if it does well? Hard to say!

But it does sound like Disney isn't going to renew the main series otherwise Spilsbury wouldn't be saying things like "effectively done for now." (Paraphrasing).
 
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In my mind, the timeframe of the 50th anniversary was the pinnacle of Doctor Who, at least here in the States. I don't mean that Day of the Doctor is the best story (it's not), but in terms of my own personal enjoyment and that of even the non-DW fans around me. I would hear non hardcore fans discussing DW at the office and around town. There seemed to be more buzz in the general media. It was its highest point in terms of public awareness/interest at this point. And I was really digging all of new Who up to that point more and more.

After Day of the Doctor aired, all of that seemed to decline. And I really liked Capaldi's era. So it wasn't so much that I was not enjoying the show, but even for me it wasn't quite at the same level. And general interest seemed to be vanishing. Let's general media coverage etc. Not all at once but it started declining with Capaldi.

All that during Capaldi's era and even more so during Whitaker's and Gatwa's time.
I think its really as simple as that the show, during the Tennant/Smith years, was populated by youngsters and was aimed at youngsters. Not necessarily a kids show either, but the broad demographic of the main aimed audience was covered in a way that an older, or a female, or a black gay person didn't. And I'm trying to imply anything indecent, simply that some folks might've thought they didn't like the idea of actors too different to those two would be acceptable.

I mean, I remember the days when a supposed BBC memo had come out before series 10 was made that said that they'd prefer if Capaldi didn't renew his contract (cause some did argue he might've stayed in Chibnall's first year) with CC had a new, Tennant-like young-looking Doctor take over the show.
Thank you for that in-depth response, Allyn. Having been a regular at Outpost Gallifrey in the past, I fully understand that stipulation but I appreciate you providing a summary of Spilsbury's comments.

As for what he actually said, I'm not entirely surprised (but disappointed) on what is most likely going on behind the scenes. The one thing I didn't think about before is Disney's option to renew. How long is that option and is there any chance Disney will give the BBC a break by telling them to go ahead and shop around (as has already been rumored) or will we have to wait the full period?

If the latter, this will whole situation will feel awfully similar to what happened with the Marvel Netflix shows and having to wait for Netflix's rights revert back to Marvel (obviously the actual scenario is very different, I just mean how us viewers feel from the outside).
What I fail to understand is, if Disney has definitively decided not to renew the next seasons, why not allow the BBC, as the rightful owner of the IP, to take it elsewhere when they clearly can and want to. And if they haven't said anything because they want to see if the BBC can change their minds, well, why? I mean, its one thing to decide to delay an announcement. But to have a rights expiration date without producing anything and basically stranding the show because they don't feel its worth spending on seems, well, unsound.

I also wonder if the Sea Devils thing is part of the reason for a delayed response from all parties.
 
I didn't think the "if ever" was realistic. Obviously, the BBC is going to want it back on the air. Also, when there were those discussions about the BBC shopping it around to other potential partners, I did wonder if it was even possible. I doubted the Disney option had expired yet. Sounds like that might be the case.

Though if the mouse isn't interested in doing anything further with the property couldn't they simply terminate their rights now?

or would this be one of those fuck you momemnts where a property isn't wanted to by they won't let it go to make sure no one else makes money from it?
 
What I fail to understand is, if Disney has definitively decided not to renew the next seasons, why not allow the BBC, as the rightful owner of the IP, to take it elsewhere when they clearly can and want to. And if they haven't said anything because they want to see if the BBC can change their minds, well, why? I mean, its one thing to decide to delay an announcement. But to have a rights expiration date without producing anything and basically stranding the show because they don't feel its worth spending on seems, well, unsound.
The same reason countless studios retain the rights to certain books, shows, films, and other IPs: Just because they don't want them, doesn't mean they want others to have them. Less competition means more money for them. Craven, yes, but that's how the industry works.
 
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The same reason countless studios retain the rights to certain books, shows, films, and other IPs: Just because they don't want them, doesn't mean they want others to have them. Less competition means more money for them. Craven, yes, but that's how the industry works.
That's definitely true, but at the same time, Disney either can commit to making the show or dumping it. besides, while not wanting anyone else have it is one option, that would imply that Disney thinks the property is not inherently undoable, which brings then doubt to why they wouldn't reconsider going further.

I guess I'm trying to argue corporate insanity, but here we are. Fuckin' Disney!
 
Though if the mouse isn't interested in doing anything further with the property couldn't they simply terminate their rights now?
Doctor Who has been in this position before. Universal had production rights to Doctor Who for into 1997. It still took a couple of years for the BBC to make the series on their own after Universal's rights expired.
 
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