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The contradiction of the Enterprise D mission role.

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Well, from what I see from many Star Trek guide and narrative, the Galaxy Class Heavy Cruiser is a deep space exploration ship. It is not a warship. Even Picard claims that it is not a warship, and her weapons are intended for self defense only. But this is the contradiction of what they claims.

1. The Enterprise D is the first ship that intercept the Borg Cube when it came to invaded Federation space.
2. The Enterprise-D mission to patrol near the Romulan Neutral Zone.
3. The Enterprise-D missions also mostly to conduct gunboat diplomacy with other species on their planet.

Those are military warship specific missions in our real world.

Plus, as a deep space exploration starship, the Galaxy Class - Enterprise D specifically has the best weapon in the fleet. they also has the biggest size, the best protection, and has more weapons that the usual Miranda and Excelsior Class around.

So if the Galaxy Class really intended to be an exploration ship, why would a Hegemony Empire like Federation send their best assets to far far away from home just to explore some uncharted space, while at the same time they have only smaller, less capable ships like the old Miranda and Excelsior to protect their home? Why not just send the old Miranda, Excelsior (which are more expendable but capable to handle the mission) to explore uncharted space and keep their best weapons to protect their home?

But if the Galaxy Class Starships are a warship, then why not they said so? Or Starfleet is just a hypocritical people who want to portray themselves as peaceful entity, while actually armed themselves with teeth? Or maybe they want to copy JDF (Japanese Defense Force) idea to call themselves as a non military organization while actually they just another military oganization on our planet? Japan even call their LHD (now Aircraft Carrier) as Destroyer. And so Starfleet call their battleship as a mere Heavy Cruiser and Explorer?
 

I'm sorry it was a typo. It is JSDF (Japanese Self Defense Force).

If you claim that JSDF a military, why Japanese government deny it? They said that JSDF are not real military. it only for self defense. So they deny that JSDF is military, and their soldiers are not real soldiers.

Another question. there was a merchant organization from Netherlands in the Exploration Era, long time ago. Around the 16th century. It called VOC (Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie) Or Dutch East India Company.

They owned by a merchant trading company. But they own armies, fleet, and even lands. Are they military?
 
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I'm sorry it was a typo. It is JSDF (Japanese Self Defense Force).

If you claim that JSDF a military, why Japanese government deny it? They said that JSDF are not real military. it only for self defense. So they deny that JSDF is military, and their soldiers are not real soldiers.

Another question. there was a merchant organization from Netherlands in the Exploration Era, long time ago. Around the 16th century. It called VOC (Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie) Or Dutch East India Company.

They owned by a merchant trading company. But they own armies, fleet, and even lands. Are they military?
I knew what you meant. That was never in question. Here, read up on Japan's military. I lived on an Air Force base in Japan when I was a kid. I saw Japanese and American soldiers daily.

The Dutch East India Company had a private military. It's not exclusive to countries.
 
So the question is "is Starfleet military?"
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I knew what you meant. That was never in question. Here, read up on Japan's military. I lived on an Air Force base in Japan when I was a kid. I saw Japanese and American soldiers daily.

The Dutch East India Company had a private military. It's not exclusive to countries.
Yes, nobody argue that jsdf is military. But for the Japanese they are not the real military. Because it is IJA and IJN that considered real for them.

fof voc yes. They had private military. But this can also be apply to Starfleet. Starfleet is a militaristic NAZA org in space that work like VOC. The difference are

1. Starfleet belong to goverment while voc private company
2. Starfleet pursue science while voc wealth
3. Starfleet call their warship a science ship while voc call them a tradeship
 
Yes, nobody argue that jsdf is military. But for the Japanese they are not the real military. Because it is IJA and IJN that considered real for them.

fof voc yes. They had private military. But this can also be apply to Starfleet. Starfleet is a militaristic NAZA org in space that work like VOC. The difference are

1. Starfleet belong to goverment while voc private company
2. Starfleet pursue science while voc wealth
3. Starfleet call their warship a science ship while voc call them a tradeship
NAZA????

How can "private military" apply to Starfleet, when as you say, "Starfleet belongs to the government??? "
VOC is pretty much the Ferengi. :lol:
 
NAZA????

How can "private military" apply to Starfleet, when as you say, "Starfleet belongs to the government??? "
VOC is pretty much the Ferengi. :lol:

But both Starfleet and VOC have their own military. Both are not a military organization, but both have their own military. Either it belong to private sector or government entity. And both are militaristic organization. Although Starfleet focus more on diplomacy while VOC to conquer some native kingdoms in Asia.

Well, VOC is more like militaristic merchant, while Ferengi more like Goblin in Fantasy story.
 
My question is who is the ruler of the Federation? I was unaware that it has a ruler...
 
Reading that page is interesting as it's....

World building, world building... oh suddenly Chekov's son is Federation president. And we'll have him voiced by his father. Oh the next president thousand or so years in the future has the Archer Spacedock.

It symbolises how insular Trek became and I hate it.
 
If there is a President, then it is not an Empire. That's Star Wars.
 
But both Starfleet and VOC have their own military. Both are not a military organization, but both have their own military. Either it belong to private sector or government entity. And both are militaristic organization. Although Starfleet focus more on diplomacy while VOC to conquer some native kingdoms in Asia.

Well, VOC is more like militaristic merchant, while Ferengi more like Goblin in Fantasy story.
You called Starfleet a “private military “, but it is clearly a government back military. Also it doesn’t “have a military” it is a military.

You seem to be having a problem grasping the idea that Starfleet can have multiple functions. It defends the Federation, explores and engages in scientific research. Just as militaries have done for centuries.

“Militaristic merchants” is about as an apt description of the Ferengi as any. Roddenberry compared them to Yankee
Traders (look it up).
Goblins can be many things in a Fantasy setting. Much more than what’s seen in Harry Potter. Though both the Potter goblins and Trek Ferengi have been accused of being racist stereotypes.
 
If there is a President, then it is not an Empire. That's Star Wars.
If? We clearly see and hear a Federation President multiple times in the franchise. How is it even a question?

“Empire” can be used metaphorically. “American Empire”. “Soviet Empire”. To give but two examples.
 
The work "President", just like any other word, means what people at that time use it to mean. Meanings change. the Romans were opposed to kings. So they called their leaders "Imperator" (leader or military commander) to make it clear he wasn't a king. From which we get "Emperor" which now means the next stage up from a king. The USA chose the term President, just like the Romans with Imperator, because it didn't have any connotations of grandeur. And just like Imperator, it has taken on just those connotations. The fact that the Federation has a President, doesn't indicate how he got the job. It's unlikely he inherited it, gained control of a single party state or won it by conquest as the Federation seems to be a democracy. How he is appointed however we don't know. He (she/they) may be directly elected by the people (USA), may be the leader of the majority party as in a Parliamentary democracy (UK, Canada, although these are currently referred to as Prime Ministers) or may be agreed upon by a consensus of various groups (EU). There may be other methods too.
 
The fact that the Federation has a President, doesn't indicate how he got the job. It's unlikely he inherited it, gained control of a single party state or won it by conquest as the Federation seems to be a democracy.

The exact mechanism is unclear, but we have at least one specific statement in canon that the President is elected (at least at times from amongst the Federation Councillors):

JARESH-INYO: I never sought this job. I was content to simply represent my people on the Federation Council. When they asked me to submit myname for election, I almost said no. Today I wish I had.
(From Homefront (DS9)).
 
Well, from what I see from many Star Trek guide and narrative, the Galaxy Class Heavy Cruiser is a deep space exploration ship. It is not a warship. Even Picard claims that it is not a warship, and her weapons are intended for self defense only. But this is the contradiction of what they claims.
The contradiction occurs because when TNG started the plan was that the 1701-D was on a multi-year deep, deep space mission and so needed to be crazy powerful because it was going to be alone and very far from home (and the entire reason families were on board in the first place), and as such needed to be able to defend herself from a variety of unknowns - but once the show started they never really ventured outside of the Federation.
World building, world building... oh suddenly Chekov's son is Federation president. And we'll have him voiced by his father. Oh the next president thousand or so years in the future has the Archer Spacedock.

It symbolises how insular Trek became and I hate it.
That's what I like about the original series, it's just the adventures of an average ship and crew.
 
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