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STAR TREK V DIRECTOR´S CUT

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Shatner’s original message about the power of tele-evangelists was lost a bit. Admittedly,
It wasn’t quite as strong as “the wall coming down in outer space.”
It was very clumsy. Either it was mind control or Sulu, Chekov, Uhura and the rest of the crew should be court martialled.

There was also a missed opportunity to link it to the Way to Eden to add a personal element for both Chekov and Spock, and a missed opportunity to explore Saavik's complicated childhood growing up feral on a Romulan science colony.
 
I like TFF much more as a Star Trek movie, but I do think the TUC humor is a little more appropriate overall.

There is some cheese in the performances, but with a little tiny bit of editing, this coul dbe a much stronger film. A lot more easily than Star Trek V. Grace Lee's crosseyed "do we report this, sir?" would be my first cut. Not only is she terrible, the line is ridiculous. No, Janice, we're just gonna shove our hands in our pockets, whistle and walk off without a word...

There are some great moments in the film, but it's always gonna stand out as an example of making everyone say things contrary to their character in order to make them better in the end.
 
There is some cheese in the performances, but with a little tiny bit of editing, this coul dbe a much stronger film. A lot more easily than Star Trek V. Grace Lee's crosseyed "do we report this, sir?" would be my first cut. Not only is she terrible, the line is ridiculous. No, Janice, we're just gonna shove our hands in our pockets, whistle and walk off without a word...

There are some great moments in the film, but it's always gonna stand out as an example of making everyone say things contrary to their character in order to make them better in the end.
Yeah her line should have been, "Shall I report this, Sir?" Asking permission rather than "Do we.." which implies shall we bother at all.

Once I get my Deepfake and voice synthesiser up and running, I can fix this for you. ;-p
 
One thing I do have to remember, and others have reminded me, is that this film was really rushed. It was gonna be rushed when they asked Harve Bennett to do it, but after they cancelled the film over the budget, they lost even more time. In order to get it into theaters before the 25th passed, they lost time to finesse. So some things are absoltuely excusable.
 
The only thing that gives Undiscovered Country the edge for me as a "Star Trek movie" is the still relevant commentary of the end of the cold war. Final Frontier didn't exactly have anything particularly relevant in its commentary.

Shatner’s original message about the power of tele-evangelists was lost a bit. Admittedly,
It wasn’t quite as strong as “the wall coming down in outer space.”

I'm not so sure. I think TFF said a lot about God images, faith, and religious extremism. Perhaps not as on-the-nose as TUC...but it was there.

And, as "topical" as TUC was, it wasn't really the kind of Star Trek story I like best. I political thriller in outer space is not nearly as interesting to me as exploring / discovering, and TUC definitely didn't have any of that.
 
I'm not so sure. I think TFF said a lot about God images, faith, and religious extremism. Perhaps not as on-the-nose as TUC...but it was there.
Agreed. Despite it's ups and downs I do think that TFF had a decent reflection of personal faith and belief, including making peace with past personal hurts.
 
Agreed. Despite it's ups and downs I do think that TFF had a decent reflection of personal faith and belief, including making peace with past personal hurts.

And if Kirk would have taken Sybok up on his offer to face his pain, he may not have been so angry a few years later...

I think there are some lovely messages in TFF and they are universal as well as timeless. "The wall coming down in space" doesn't quite have the staying power. But the "racism suck" message pretty much never ends. Even at their worst, the Trek movies tried to say something. Which is more than most franchise films these days.

Regardless of my carping, I don't dislike any of them.
 
I think there are some lovely messages in TFF and they are universal as well as timeless. "The wall coming down in space" doesn't quite have the staying power. But the "racism suck" message pretty much never ends. Even at their worst, the Trek movies tried to say something. Which is more than most franchise films these days.
That is the whole reason I not only facepalm, but get flat out infuriated when supposed long-time fans say something like "stop shoving race and politics into Star Trek" .... it makes one wonder if they have ever actually WATCHED the show.
 
I'm not so sure. I think TFF said a lot about God images, faith, and religious extremism. Perhaps not as on-the-nose as TUC...but it was there.
Really? Because I think it said next to nothing, because the film is so all over the place that what little action and lip service is paid to the nominal themes that it ends up saying or being about not much of anything. God images? Sure, throw a bunch of faces up but that's not commenting on much of anything other than different people imagine different things. Faith? What faith is addressed in the film? some guy comes in and uses Vulcan mind powers to mess with people's minds. Religious extremism, okay, except we never see this expressed in any narratively meaningful way.

We don't get to see Kirk face his "converted" followers. Heck, we don't even get a moment to see what these people now think except they're all blissed out. Where's the moment of confrontation where these people's loyalties are tested? Because either they don't know Kirk, Spock and Bones are in the brig or they don't care. Decades of service together and no one even winces at the idea of tossing their leader, the guy who's saved their skins and civilizations over and over?

This is the problem when you try too hard to make an allegory but you don't actually have anything of depth to say. This is at best high school level thematics.

Honestly, it's a shit script.
And if Kirk would have taken Sybok up on his offer to face his pain, he may not have been so angry a few years later...
Except why would he? So he can turn his back on his responsibilities and loyalties like his crew? We don't see how this effects anyone else except for their blissouts, so there's no convincing narrative that anyone actually faced anything. Did Sybok fuck with their minds or did he honestly have some ability to reach people and help them overcome their pain? The film takes no side on this. McCoy and Spock just go, "I'm staying here,:" and Kirk gets to give a neener neener look at Sybok.

This movie is so surface you could wipe away the substance with a dustrag.
 
Really? Because I think it said next to nothing, because the film is so all over the place that what little action and lip service is paid to the nominal themes that it ends up saying or being about not much of anything. God images? Sure, throw a bunch of faces up but that's not commenting on much of anything other than different people imagine different things. Faith? What faith is addressed in the film? some guy comes in and uses Vulcan mind powers to mess with people's minds. Religious extremism, okay, except we never see this expressed in any narratively meaningful way.

We don't get to see Kirk face his "converted" followers. Heck, we don't even get a moment to see what these people now think except they're all blissed out. Where's the moment of confrontation where these people's loyalties are tested? Because either they don't know Kirk, Spock and Bones are in the brig or they don't care. Decades of service together and no one even winces at the idea of tossing their leader, the guy who's saved their skins and civilizations over and over?

This is the problem when you try too hard to make an allegory but you don't actually have anything of depth to say. This is at best high school level thematics.

Honestly, it's a shit script.

Except why would he? So he can turn his back on his responsibilities and loyalties like his crew? We don't see how this effects anyone else except for their blissouts, so there's no convincing narrative that anyone actually faced anything. Did Sybok fuck with their minds or did he honestly have some ability to reach people and help them overcome their pain? The film takes no side on this. McCoy and Spock just go, "I'm staying here,:" and Kirk gets to give a neener neener look at Sybok.

This movie is so surface you could wipe away the substance with a dustrag.
It's almost like Shatner didn't think the supporting cast had anything to add...
 
I don't know if we will ever see a Director's Cut, per say, as Shatner may not have the time to dedicate towards something like that, but it would be nice to see a Special Edition approved by Shatner with new VFX put in place. I could see that happening for Paramount+.
 
Paramount views it as simply a movie that was a big flop. They're content to re-release it in different formats for the Trek fans who will pay for it, but they're never going to spend even one dime doing any work on it. They don't believe it would be worth the investment. And, honestly, I'm not sure it would, from a business perspective.
 
Paramount views it as simply a movie that was a big flop. They're content to re-release it in different formats for the Trek fans who will pay for it, but they're never going to spend even one dime doing any work on it. They don't believe it would be worth the investment. And, honestly, I'm not sure it would, from a business perspective.
The Motion Picture was viewed pretty much the same way before the 2001 Director's Edition.
 
The Motion Picture was viewed pretty much the same way before the 2001 Director's Edition.
TMP was never a flop. Not by a long shot. It made a boatload of money. In fact, until the Abramsverse films, it was the most financially successful of all the films when adjusted for inflation. TFF was the only one of the TOS cast films to lose money at the box office. It and Nemesis are the only certified bombs in the film series.
 
TMP was never a flop. Not by a long shot. It made a boatload of money. In fact, until the Abramsverse films, it was the most financially successful of all the films when adjusted for inflation. TFF was the only one of the TOS cast films to lose money at the box office. It and Nemesis are the only certified bombs in the film series.
TFF wasn't such a failure. It made $63M from a $33M budget and it made pretty good in Home Video sales. Ofc was a flop in comparison with the rest of the saga but it did decently as lots of people would watch it 100% after Star Trek IV.
 
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