The design, yes, but I hate the uniforms. Command blue, really?
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A reference to the NX 01 jumpsuits, where it all began.
I agree with all this. But I do think Burnham's connection to Spock turned out to be more of a a benefit to the Spock character more so than the Burnham character. In fact I've gone on record in this thread, and I guess this is the thread for it, that Michael Burnham is the best thing to happen to the Spock character since the Genesis wave.
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All the NX jumpsuits were blue, but command had a yellow stripe. I preferred when that yellow stripe was part of an unbroken lineage through to command yellow in TOS.
I preferred when command was gold but TNG fucked that up and used red because...
It's not all I want and being told you must feel something because it's that guy from that thing I know appears on screen is damn frustrating.
Like, I'm sorry that I want characters and story first.I don't just want to be told "here you go little fan. Here's a treat." It feels condescending as I'll get out some times.
I understand the point, sort of. I don't agree with it. To me, I don't see it as "i'm supposed to feel something because it's the guy from the thing I know"... I see it as... "I feel something because of the relationship I have with the character I know"... I have established feelings about Picard and crew. You could do that same exact show, but make S1 about like, Old Captain Smithy who is feeling down and out, and misses his old friend who died Commander Information and then some things happen and Old Captain Smithy has to go out on an adventure that is actually somewhat related to his old freind Commander Information.... and like... it might be fine? But if you make it about Picard and Data, I already have a connection with those characters. I don't need to be told to feel anything. I already do.
That's fair and I generally agree with it. It is definitely subjective and I will counter your food analogy with a similar one. If I like steak, I may go to a steakhouse so I can steak. If I order steak and the waiter brings me out lasagna, I will probably be like "I ordered steak... that's why I came here." The waiter might be like "Yeah but, have you tried the lasanga?", to which point I might be like "Yeah this is fine, I like lasanga well enough, but I came to the steakhouse for steak."
The steak for me is Star Trek, and all the things that go along with it. When I watch Star Trek, I want it to be... Star Trek. I'm very happy for it to tell me new stories, but I want it to tell me new stories in a familiar style, because... that's what I came for.
This is why perspectives are fun. I honestly don't think I minded the relation to Spock... because there were SO many other reasons for me to dislike Burnham that it kind of got lost in the shuffle.
Where it bothers me is that THAT is my problem with "fan service" and "nostalgia". I'm cool with doing it. I'm a fan. Service me. That's cool. But... do it right. No, some new character showing up and being related to an old character I like doesn't do anything for me. That's some like, 1980's sitcom crap.
If you want to nostalgia? Maybe rather than trying to shoehorn in your new character as being related to an old one, just like, make the aliens you chose to use from the old shows like the aliens from the old shows? Rather than being like "Burnham is Spock's SISTER! Isn't that CRAZY?", they could be like "Hey guys look, KLINGONS! And they look like Klingons!"
They thought Patrick Stewart looked better in red than gold.
From a purely aesthetic standpoint, I think this works. I think the red pops a bit more, which in turn almost makes more sense for it be a bit less common. The captain and the first officer wear red, the wear the gold. The red being a bit more bold of a look makes the command officers stand out.
Although, it's never been much of an issue either way for me. I do wish Discovery had kept the department colors. I don't actually hate the DSC uniforms. They do seem like an evolution from the ENT-era, but... the weird metallic department color scheme was kind of dumb.
It would be if the story was done well. How the hell did people connect with characters before Star Trek became a franchise? Man, I thought I was the weirdo who cried over Tomlinson's death in Balance of Terror on my first watch through but I guess this confirms it.
Well, I have the opposite reaction. I feel like I'm told to feel something the moment we have a character show up from the past and just dropped in the story. McCoy in Farpoint being one for me. Come on, just let the new crew stand up.
Season 3 of Picard felt similarly.
I can't wait for the TOS KLINGONS! Come on, show me the real KLINGONS! Or maybe TMP!
We really should get some TOS Klingons the closer we get to TOS.
The Augment virus has been canon for over 20 years. Despite some folks' distaste for ENT's contributions to the lore, it's a thing and can easily be brought back into play without any additional exposition required.
Just have the SNW characters walk into a bar full of TOS Klingons. One of the characters gets confused and asks "These are Klingons?" and is told that it is a long story.
Note: Not M'Benga. We do not let M'Benga into this bar.
Note: Not M'Benga. We do not let M'Benga into this bar.
It's the type of show where I could see them doing that.
Then, along the way, Spock says hello to "Sponge Robert".
I still love the Abramsverse, but realize that it wasn’t made for me. It was a horse designed for a new audience.
okay, Burke XD
On the other hand, being nearly a generation removed, at least some exposition would probably be indicated, assuming the showrunners' objective is to expand the audience of the franchise, not throw up barriers to noobs making it harder for them to appreciate what's going on.
one of the things i like about UC is that there is a variety of klingons, you could easily think of it as like, different ethnic backgrounds or something. if chang had hair, you could mistake him for a TOS klingon. then enterprise changed it.
funny that picard tried to explain the ridged romulans as being "northerners" but... they don't have the distinctive ridges, they have a central bulge, introducing a new weirdness...
funny that picard tried to explain the ridged romulans as being "northerners" but... they don't have the distinctive ridges, they have a central bulge, introducing a new weirdness...
I'm with you on that.
If Starfleet was a real organization, I'd agree with you. As a fictional TV organization, I think the three serve the purpose.
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