What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[XCV330]

Along with NASA. It seems that they have a relationship. NASA would be considered military adjacent.

NASA flew a few secret shuttle missions for DoD prior to to the loss of Challenger that are still secret to this day. They were even building a second launch pad in California up to that point. There's images of shuttle Enterprise there for fitting tests

 

[BillJ]

We're talking taking their main-line fighting ship, filling it with scientists & experiments, and going somewhere foreign and doing said experiements, but out in the unknown frontiers.

Everywhere, all the time on almost all of their vessels.

What would be the purpose of the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise to carry a NASA team aboard at all times? Even the Galaxy-class Enterprise had to have advisors and others come on board for certain missions.

They never carried everyone they needed.

 

[XCV330]

We're talking taking their main-line fighting ship, filling it with scientists & experiments, and going somewhere foreign and doing said experiements, but out in the unknown frontiers.

Everywhere, all the time on almost all of their vessels.

NASA doesn't have a fighting ship. It buys seats on Soyuz and Dragon, and maybe not probably not Starliner. It buys cargo services on Dragon, Cygnus and eventually Dreamchaser. NASA's only "ship" is Orion, which has never flown crewed, to date, and will nominally fly with an international crew of various astronauts picked for their mission roles. Most of them will probably be, as ever, on loan from the military.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

What would be the purpose of the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise to carry a NASA team aboard at all times? Even the Galaxy-class Enterprise had to have advisors and others come on board for certain missions.

They never carried everyone they needed.

But they carried far more than what a modern Western Military would permit on their average mission.

A regular Science contingent on the Galaxy class would have a far deeper Scientific Department than what the Nimitz-class USS Enterprise would carry.
The Depth & Breadth of things they are studying is on a different level.

Any specialists that comes on board is in addition to a already large science department.

 

[Nerys Myk]

No Denying that.

But what happens when that isn't the case?

Still a Military with rules and regulations to follow.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

NASA doesn't have a fighting ship. It buys seats on Soyuz and Dragon, and maybe not probably not Starliner. It buys cargo services on Dragon, Cygnus and eventually Dreamchaser. NASA's only "ship" is Orion, which has never flown crewed, to date, and will nominally fly with an international crew of various astronauts picked for their mission roles. Most of them will probably be, as ever, on loan from the military.

Now imagine if the largest Universities Science & Research Department + NASA was fully integrated into the US Navy, Air Force, Army, Marines, Space Force.

How often do you see a billet on a US Navy Cruiser for the "Archaeology Officer" or "Anthropology Officer"?

Modern Western Militaries have no use for such a Officer as a standard billet.

While StarFleet generally has somebody on every StarShip that is out on the frontier exploring and doing Scientific R&D.

Still a Military with rules and regulations to follow.

Most organizations have Rules & Regulations to follow.

StarFleet included.

Same with NASA, same with Universities.

Same with Companies as well.

That isn't unique to a military.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yet does the modern US Navy's Carriers, Cruisers, Submarines carry a full NASA style contingent with it everywhere it goes?

As I said, a starship is more akin to a base than a navy ship.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

It may not be exactly what we currently do, but it is what we would do if there was justification. If our modern militaries had countries and huge classes of animal species and numerous people groups yet to discover, and expected to do so, they would.

 

[XCV330]

Now imagine if the largest Universities Science & Research Department + NASA was fully integrated into the US Navy, Air Force, Army, Marines, Space Force.

it's called DARPA. They invented the internet. I'm done. good day.

 

[BillJ]

But they carried far more than what a modern Western Military would permit on their average mission.

A regular Science contingent on the Galaxy class would have a far deeper Scientific Department than what the Nimitz-class USS Enterprise would carry.
The Depth & Breadth of things they are studying is on a different level.

Any specialists that comes on board is in addition to a already large science department.

So, because they have bigger support departments, they are no longer the military?

Can't argue with that logic...

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Is Spock a Vulcan, a Human, or a brand new species?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Now imagine if the largest Universities Science & Research Department + NASA was fully integrated into the US Navy, Air Force, Army, Marines, Space Force.

How often do you see a billet on a US Navy Cruiser for the "Archaeology Officer" or "Anthropology Officer"?

Modern Western Militaries have no use for such a Officer as a standard billet.

While StarFleet generally has somebody on every StarShip that is out on the frontier exploring and doing Scientific R&D.


Most organizations have Rules & Regulations to follow.

StarFleet included.

Same with NASA, same with Universities.

Same with Companies as well.

That isn't unique to a military.

Starfleet has a military structure to its rules and regulation that most IRL civilian organizations do not.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

We have plenty of undiscovered Animal Species under water & on land that have yet to be discovered on Earth.

Yet we don't send the US military to do that right now.

We have Universities, Private Research Institutes do that kind of work.

The US Military have more pressing matters to attend to.

Same with Space, NASA does the primariy Exploring, Research, etc.

While Space Force is primarily focused on Defense.

Both agencies are seperated.

In the StarFleet future we envision, they are fully integrated.

Is Spock a Vulcan, a Human, or a brand new species?

He's a Hybrid: ½ Human & ½ Vulcan.

 

[Crazyewok]

 

[Nerys Myk]

We have plenty of undiscovered Animal Species under water & on land that have yet to be discovered on Earth.

Yet we don't send the US military to do that right now.

We have Universities, Private Research Institutes do that kind of work.

The US Military have more pressing matters to attend to.

Same with Space, NASA does the primariy Exploring, Research, etc.

While Space Force is primarily focused on Defense.

Both agencies are seperated.

In the StarFleet future we envision, they are fully integrated.

Are there not scientists and organizations in the Federation working independently of Starfleet?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

it's called DARPA. They invented the internet. I'm done. good day.

Yeah, they Fund Civilian University Researchers to do the R&D for them.

Are there not scientists and organizations in the Federation working independently of Starfleet?

Yes, both exist concurrently.

StarFleet is it's own Massive University & Research Institute.

Then there are the seperate independent ones outside on top of that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Is Spock a Vulcan, a Human, or a brand new species?

I don't believe hybrids are classified as a new species.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Starfleet has a military structure to its rules and regulation that most IRL civilian organizations do not.

That's the differnce in being a Hybrid Organization.

They adopted the Military Structure to a Civilian Organization and merged the two into a Hybrid Service.

That's why it's not purely one or the other.

It's a bit of both.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, they Fund Civilian University Researchers to do the R&D for them.


Yes, both exist concurrently.

StarFleet is it's own Massive University & Research Institute.

Then there are the seperate independent ones outside on top of that.

Then not fully integrated.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Just trying to change the subject.