I always want to pronounce it SPAAAAACE FORRRRCE!!!!!!
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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The Galaxy-Class was explicitly NOT built for war. It was built for long range exploration, and could also do war when neccesary.
Why do they drop everything when war comes calling? Because... it also functions as a military, and when war happens, that takes precedence over the science stuff.
It's really not rocket science.
The fact that SNW moved when Khan was born changes everything.
Discovery can easily be in it's own timeline that is seperate for TOS due to numerous timeline changes.
That easily fixes every conflicting piece of on-screen evidence.
It's not like Trek doesn't have a history of multiple timelines existing.
I'm perfectly fine ascribing Kirk's comments as necessary for that moment in time and going full Military Chain of Command when the situation calls for it and reverting back to Scientific Explorer when not in Combat Mode.
Picard & Kirk can both be equally correct IMO since they operate in different eras of StarFleet.
Civilians, even ones in charge at the governmental level have a tendency to get things wrong as well.
It happens IRL, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in Trek.
That's why I call it a Hybrid Service Organization.
It's not one thing only.
It isn't. Because everything ascribed to as Starfleet functions have been the responsibility of the military at one point or another in our history.
Plus, we have our friend, Federation President Jaresh Inyo who describes Deep Space Nine as a military installation.
sometimes I think there was a pacifistic faction that held some sway briefly in the UFP, between the brush fire war era and the encounter with the Borg. Starfleet was so arrogant it thought it could handle gunboat diplomacy with giant warships disguised as diplomatic vessels going to far as to put families and schools on them, admittedly with a saucer separation protocol that may or may not work.
By the time the USS Odyssey folded like a cheap pair of pants, that era was over.
You could compare it to WWII...young healthy eligible males were not all soldiers by vocation prior to war being declared, but when they were drafted or enlisted, they became soldiers until their services were no longer needed, then many who survived went back to civilian life, whatever that looked like.
Right, but we don't have any examples of a real world military that operates as Starfleet, as an organization that prioritizes the other duties with the military as a secondary function.
Jaresh Inyo was correct. Deep Space Nine is a military installation... as its secondary function after being a trade / transit hub.
I would think the President of the Federation would be better-versed in what the military is than your average civilian.
And neither are modern militaries.
Would he be as well versed as the Captain who heads the FlagShip of the Federation?
There has always been a serious divide between the Civilian Government and the US Military.
Many times, Politicians don't get things correct either compared to the ones who operate in that position.
Does it though?
You don't hang with the Klingons and Jem'Hadar if combat is your secondary function. Seriously, some of the contortions being made would embarrass some gymnasts.
Canonically and objectively, yes. Yes it does.
Please provide proof.
Even a peaceful civilian science force can be seen as militaristic if they have all the trappings of a military (rank, uniforms, weapons) and their presence looms large, taking over/heavily influencing the day-to-day workings of an area they didn't used to previously.
I simply don't understand what you're trying to convey here? Starfleet has been omnipresent for the entirety of the life of the Federation.
Klingons in the 24th century aren't nearly as strong relative to the UFP compared to where they were in the 23rd century.
Their Technological & Fighting Prowess gap is much smaller than it once was.
Also Jem'Hadar wasn't fighting the UFP alone.
It was a Alliance between the Klingons, UFP, Romulans vs Dominion, Cardassians (Until they turned), & Breen.
I just meant that regardless of whether they are or aren't military, someone who thinks they are will see them that way. Someone like Picard who doesn't think they are will see evidence for what he believes, or express wishful thinking for what he hopes.
You mean like World War II. Because Britain was an ally didn't mean they didn't have a military.
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