Then why don't you explain it to me since you seem to know it all.
Yes, I know they have those, that's been part of Trek since the beginning.
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Just like it's been a military since the beginning.
I'm pretty sure I already have spelled it out, across multiple posts. I'm not trying to be mean to you, but your ego won't let you see how little you actually know about this stuff.
I remember in "Arena", when they're chasing the Gorn. Kirk and Spock are on the bridge and Spock questions about chasing the Gorn, that the "hot pursuit" may be enough. Kirk essentially tells him to STFU and Spock knows that that is the end of the conversation.
Because Kirk is the captain. End of the day, it is his responsibility and his call to make. Just like when Captain Lucerno told Lieutenant Larkin to stop experimenting on Tribbles. That should have been the end of the conversation, and the end of the experiments.
Because Kirk is the captain. End of the day, it is his responsibility and his call to make. Just like when Captain Lucerno told Lieutenant Larkin to stop experimenting on Tribbles. That should have been the end of the conversation, and the end of the experiments.
Lorca gave Stamets a verbal smackdown once or twice also. Stamets in fairness, didn't seem to understand what he was buying into when he accepted an officer's commission in exchange for getting his project funded. He should have held off for a sweet non-uniform gig like Carol Marcus an Son got.
I've been calling it a "Hybrid Service" since what it does is very different from modern Militaries.
Yes, it does have a military aspect, and performs as a military when needed as the situation arises.
But during it's "Non-Combat" times, it operates a bit differently, moreso than a modern Western Military.
And I've told you that I envisioned it as more than just a traditional military, it goes beyond that.
But it wasn't, that's how we got our story.
And the United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps.
You have a lot more you need to learn about the real world and Star Trek before you're qualified to make those kinds of judgements. Seriously. It isn't a slam at you. Just what I see when I read your posts.
Of course not, but you're trying to pin a situation on Captain Lucerno that is in no way her fault. I imagine she followed the letter of Starfleet regulations concerning Larkin. She just couldn't lock him away without some kind of hearing. I imagine once Larkin's communications to Starfleet were received, both Lucerno* and Starfleet knew he needed to be removed from the situation. So, she followed that course.
*I haven't typed Lucerno so many times in my life as I have this evening.
one particular member of the Lewis and Clarke Expedition might not have considered the Corps of Discovery Military, but over the course of the mission between 1804-1805 John Collins got 150 lashes after courts-martial. Oddly enough after early 1805 there were no more disciplinary actions in the Corps. I bring it up since Corps of Discovery is about as close as the U.S. ever got to Starfleet.
I'm surprised The Felon hasn't dismantled it by now in deference to uninspected milk and the pleasant sound of measles coughs.
Peak Performance is the episode where Starfleet orders the Enterprise to participate in war games? And JLP grudgingly agrees (which, really, he didn't have a choice, because... Orders) because he admits that they might have to fight the Borg? Because there is no one else to fight the Borg?
Because Starfleet is the Federation's military.
This is about as simple as it gets, in this debate. When you drop everything to fight wars, you are the military.
Yes, it's one of StarFleet's many duties.
Some times Picard has to do some fighting every now and then.
Even if it's to his chagrin.
Doesn't mean he wouldn't rather be doing other things, like charting a Nebula or some other more boring scientific work.
I'm sure many, many soldiers would rather be doing other things. Doesn't change the reality of what they are.
As Colonel Sherman T. Potter once observed, “when you wear the green tuxedo, you dance where they tell you.”
You just described any military.
I would also concede if someone would describe which one of Starfleet's many other duties (it has them and I expect they are many and varied) would take precedent over its defensive responsibilities.
At that moment in time, yes. When you are fighting wars, you are performing the duties of a traditional Military.
But you are correct, in a way. "StarFleet is the Military" when the UFP calls upon it to enforce it's will or to fight.
But when they are not doing those types of actions, they are not in the "Military Mind Set" at that moment in time, they are free to perform their duties as needed.
Exploration, Scientific R&D, Anthropology, XenoBiology, etc.
It's a bit more complicated than "We are the Space Military" all the time.
There's a Mixture of Academia & Research Institute into StarFleet, along with Exploratory Duties, and a whole host of other responsibilities.
It's not so simple as to what a traditional "Military Operations other than War" do.
e.g. StarFleet has "Duck Blinds" where they keep their StarFleet Anthropology teams in to observe the locals and do anthroplogical research on the natives of whatever target planet they're investigating and the people that are on said planet.
While there are Civilians who are telling the army that they need Anthropologists. Despite the fact that the Anthropologists are not happy to help the US military during it's occupation in Afghanistan.
But in StarFleet, it kind of does to a degree.
That's why I don't call them a traditional military service and more of a Hybrid service.
Aspects of Academia, Research Institutes, and all sorts of other entities & services are all integrated into StarFleet.
Aspects that modern Military aren't willing to do or tasked to do.
Modern militaries do all those things, they just don't try to deceive themselves on what they are. Starfleet, like modern militaries, has access to all those other things, because those other things can be important assets come war time.
When the rubber hits the road, Starfleet is a frightening military force. You don't hang with Klingons or the Jem'Hadar without being formidable warriors, in your own rite. Being formidable warriors takes lots and lots of practice. Lots of time and effort.
You're kind of way out of your understanding, with respect.
ever heard of DARPA? The amount of research they do and fund, some of it really advanced stuff pushing into fringe areas is amazing
All of the main branches maintain their own historian's offices. They have to maintain centers of learning for training. Coast Guard in particular has a complicated role since it falls under both civilian control and Navy control depending on its mission and state of peace/war.
there are military journalists too. You may have heard of one: Chief Petty Officer Alex Haley, USCG.. he wrote Roots.
seriously.. that statement is just wrong.
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