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StarFleet is a Hybrid of a:
- Military Organization
- Exploration Organization
- Scientific Research & Discovery
- Engineering Corp
- Diplomacy Service
- Whatever the UFP & StarFleet Upper Brass comes up with to assign to it's Captains.
If that means being a Diplomatic/Cargo Transport for important diplomats, so be it.
How many times have we seen a StarFleet StarShip carry diplomats from point A to B?

So, it is the US military.
 
Then explain to us the difference?
It's a Multi-Purpose organization with multiple skill sets and services.

If they need to Fix infrastructure on a planet or in space, they do so.

If they need to cure a biological outbreak of some sort, they will go and do so.

If there is science to be researched, they will go do it.

If there are Cosmozoans to protect, they will go do that.

If there is fighting to be had, they will go do it.

If they have to transport diplomats or host peace conferences, they will do so.

There mandate is VERY flexible and they adapt to do what is needed at the time.

There is not one thing they do, they're a true "multi-tool" service.


Picard was always full of pretentious shit.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it is a duck. And if it walks like a military, talks like a military and fights dam wars like a military then it IS a military.
It's a bit more complicated than that.


So, it is the US military.
But with extra responsibilities and more things to do beyond fighting.
 
It's a Multi-Purpose organization with multiple skill sets and services.

If they need to Fix infrastructure on a planet or in space, they do so.

If they need to cure a biological outbreak of some sort, they will go and do so.

If there is science to be researched, they will go do it.

If there are Cosmozoans to protect, they will go do that.

If there is fighting to be had, they will go do it.

If they have to transport diplomats or host peace conferences, they will do so.

There mandate is VERY flexible and they adapt to do what is needed at the time.

There is not one thing they do, they're a true "multi-tool" service.

So, it is the US military.
 
I've always seen that as a bit of a conceit on Picard's part. And it's an understandable one given that when he entered Starfleet was at peace with a Klingons, the Romulans were in seclusion and the Cardassians hadn't grown to be a major threat yet. Sure, there was the occasional conflict here and there, but for the most part the Starfleet that Jean-Luc Picard came up in would have probably focused less on military maneuvers. After Next Generation season 1, with the return of the Romulans at the coming of the Borg, the switch to a military standing becomes clear. By season 2, Starfleet is building star bases along the Romulan border in order to remind the Romulans that Starfleet is there, and they start military war games in response to the Borg threat.
Given how StarFleet adapts, I don't blame them for building more StarBases.

They change with the times and adapts as needed.

But once the fighting concludes, what does StarFleet go back to, exploration, science R&D, Diplomacy, etc.

You do realize that fighting isn't what the majority of the US military does?
Yes I know, but the responsibilities of StarFleet are greater in scope than what the US Military does.
 
Just like most modern western militaries.
But most of them still have a higher percentage of time focused on preparing for war and being ready to fight on a moments notice.

Many Officers still are required to be prepared to fight at the drop of a dime.

They don't spend the volume of time on non combat related duties or non combat preparation.

The vast majority of their time spent is all related to Combat Preperation or Training

Yes, some time is spent on Non-Combat related stuff, but not to the degree that StarFleet does things.
 
But once the fighting concludes, what does StarFleet go back to, exploration, science R&D, Diplomacy, etc.
And when exactly did that happen? Following the Borg was the Klingons civil war followed by the Dominion War, followed by another Borg attack followed by The Living Construct attack which was followed by the attack on Utopia Planitia, which is when Starfleet very specifically started to scale back their exploratory and scientific endeavors.
 
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They really aren't. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Roddenberry and many of the folks behind the original Star Trek were military veterans. Starfleet was based on those experiences.
I know they are. But they wanted StarFleet to be different from a traditional military.

Those goalposts must be heavy.
It's a subtle but important distinction.

So is starfleet.
By regulation, they are required to do that.

But on their down time, they spend the majority of their time on Non-Combat related tasks & goals when they aren't in the middle of a war.
 
Yes, some time is spent on Non-Combat related stuff, but not to the degree that StarFleet does things.

You know nothing about the US military, and it seems even less about the fictional Starfleet.

I know they are. But they wanted StarFleet to be different from a traditional military.

Nope. Or else you wouldn't have things like court-martials and the death penalty. Or putting officers away for the rest of their lives for mutiny.
 
They really aren't. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Roddenberry and many of the folks behind the original Star Trek were military veterans. Starfleet was based on those experiences.
I mean, look at Balance of Terror. Every scene in that could easily be transferred onto the deck of a US Navy battleship in the way the entire crew acts and behaves.

Granted, the episode adapts the WW2 movie The Enemy Below, but the point is still valid.
 
I mean, look at Balance of Terror. Every scene in that could easily be transferred onto the deck of a US Navy battleship in the way the entire crew acts and behaves.

Granted, the episode adapts the WW2 movie The Enemy Below, but the point is still valid.

"The Corbomite Maneuver", where Bailey is removed from the bridge while everyone else is able to remain collected in the face of destruction.

It takes a lot of training and discipline to remain calm in those kinds of scenarios. Not something one can turn on and off on a whim.
 
The chain of command still exists. It doesn't require military formality or tradition to be written up for insubordination. Chain of command is not just a organizational sheet; it has real implications, even for science missions, especially in space, when decisions may be life or death, just due to the fragility of traveling in space. Captains are given a lot of latitude in managing their crew. Crew cannot just shrug off lawful orders because they want to debate it.

This, right here. Starfleet operates like a military hierarchy, and in that setup, your CO makes a decision and gives the order. That is not up for discussion or qualification. You're a junior officer, and you perform the order you're given by your CO.
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