Harry could have been Star Trek's first non alien aroace character. (Not that I can think of an alien aroace character. Even Odo disqualified eventually)
If Harry Kim was to have a stable romantic relationship, with whom he would have it?
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As someone who's aro (not ace though), not a bad thought. Though Kes would have been better for that, since her age made pairing her with any male character problematic.
As I recall in the first relaunch books Libby gets back with Harry. I dunno, eam very uninvested in Libby and Non Sequitur being so boring didn't help.
I know of six potential Harry futures...
1-2. Endgame and STO. Voyager got home. Harry is a captain and career officer. His personal life is unknown.
3. Timeless. Voyager was lost but Harry got home. Harry is a total wreck, and almost certainly a bachelor.
4. Before and After. Voyager is stuck in the Delta Quadrant, and likely remains so for years if not decades. Harry is married to Linnis.
5. Homecoming. Voyager has just gotten home. Harry and Libby get back together soon after. Not sure if it's permanent.
6. Autobiography of Captain Janeway. Harry and Libby get back together, get married, have 4 kids.
Bottom line, Harry is smart, athletic, personable. If canon declares that Libby has moved on before he gets home, I'm sure he finds love elsewhere, if he still wants it. Though after his misadventures in the DQ, I could see him going the route Picard did, and focusing on his career. Given the damage Janeway did to it, that might be a full-time affair!
1-2. Endgame and STO. Voyager got home. Harry is a captain and career officer. His personal life is unknown.
3. Timeless. Voyager was lost but Harry got home. Harry is a total wreck, and almost certainly a bachelor.
4. Before and After. Voyager is stuck in the Delta Quadrant, and likely remains so for years if not decades. Harry is married to Linnis.
5. Homecoming. Voyager has just gotten home. Harry and Libby get back together soon after. Not sure if it's permanent.
6. Autobiography of Captain Janeway. Harry and Libby get back together, get married, have 4 kids.
Bottom line, Harry is smart, athletic, personable. If canon declares that Libby has moved on before he gets home, I'm sure he finds love elsewhere, if he still wants it. Though after his misadventures in the DQ, I could see him going the route Picard did, and focusing on his career. Given the damage Janeway did to it, that might be a full-time affair!
Indubitably, yes. If I was going to ship any same-sex couple on VOY, it would be them. They even had a meet cute in Quark's.
Tell whatever stories you want. Only, when you make things like gay couples, do it because you want it, not because you feel obliged to do it.
And don't expect everyone, or anyone, to like it.
And don't expect everyone, or anyone, to like it.
That's a good policy for writers in general. Since 99.9% of us aren't going to pay off our mortgages with our stories, we might as well enjoy what we're doing.
I don't agree with that when it comes to tv, writers are obliged to do certain things in that medium. If people write their own novels for example they can do they want, if they are part of a staff writing for a continuing tv show they are always externally controlled to some degree.
Of course, there are continuity needs, executive needs and practical needs. I just don't like people pushing certain things into stories because thet feel they have to.
Ahhhh......the age thing again.
The whole nine year lifespan was a mistake which was hampering for the character. It should have been done away with.
I see four possible options:
1. The Ocampa planet has a nine year orbit around the sun. Therefore one Ocampa year ist the same as nine years on Earth.
2. Kes life could be prolonged by help from Suspiria or the Ocampa on Suspiria's array, something that should have been done in Cold Fire.
3. The Doctor could prolong Kes's lifespan with methods that the Ocampa on Suspiria's array could have provided.
4. Q could give Kes a human lifespan.
I'll go for option 4!
As for Kes's lovelife, she was in love with Neelix, was attracted to Tom Paris and was also attracted to Zahir in the episode Darkling. That says it all!
My choice is 4 and 5.
Even if that Autobiography of Captain Janeway seems to have ruined most of the Voyager characters, Harry was at least bound for a better life.
Each would ask why the other is "Harry", with each saying return "I am, but isn't everyone?" Followed by the sponsor of the week:
(Stupid thumbnail spoilers... Stupid thumbnail spoilers... Stupid sexy Flanders...)
That's why I'm grateful to Discovery, for doing some comprehensive box-checking: happy same-sex couple, lesbian engineer, non-binary and trans characters, check. So now, future Trek installments can feature such things, or not, no pressure.
It could have worked, but the writers would have had to understand that the viewers might not be down with the whole "two years old" thing. For us, two years old is teddy bears and sippy cups. Adult level romance is a bridge too far.
It's the simplest solution. I actually had him do the same thing in my one Q story.
There's actually a lot I liked about the ending of that one. B'Elanna continues to design ships for Starfleet (confirmed in canon), Tuvok remains as well but has an eye on retirement to be with his family more (unconfirmed, but makes sense). Other events (such as Tom becoming a holonovelist and Chakotay.... well, doing whatever he did) have been wiped by new canon. And yes, it says that Harry ceased to be an ensign almost immediately after the series ended, shot through the ranks afterward, and had a family with Libby. That ending for him was the perfect middle finger to the VOY showrunners.
Harry would have been a great pet for B'Etor.
I wouldn't buy that for a dollar.
Harry's had quite a few possible romances, including...
- Libby, his girlfriend on Earth.
- The Delaney sister who isn't into him.
- The Delaney sister he's not into.
- The Terminatrix.
- Several space vampires.
- An ensign who died.
- A half-Ocampan who never existed.
- Seven of Nine.
- A hologram who isn't really a hologram*.
- A member of a xenophobic species who gives him space VD.
- The dead ensign, returned as a space zombie.
- An Irish hologram who actually is a hologram.
- A cow. Unintentionally.
- A space terrorist.
- A horny Klingon**.
- Tom, in a whole lot of slash fics.
*Dropped him for Tuvok.
**Dropped him for Neelix.
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Just to clarify: that means Seven, right?
No, it's Kristina Lokken, who played the Terminatrix in T3 and guest starred as a space vampires in "Favorite Son".
But thanks for reminding me of Seven; I added her to the list.
The only thing which was good with DSC was that it ended.
I haven't got over the "Mutant Ninja Turtles Klingons" yet. What a disgrace!
Not to mention that the characters were horrible, all of them and most the "captain".
As for writing, I would never accept that anyone stood over me and ordered: "You have to have a characters who is so and so and you have to have a characters who looks so and so".
If I want to have a ship with only black people as crewmembers, then I create such a ship and such crewmembers. If I want a ship where the crew are all from Scandinavia, then I write a story with such a ship and crew. If I want a ship with an Andorian captain, then I write a story with a ship with an Andorian captain.
Why? Because it would fit into my story!
I won't let political correctness or petty demands from , let's say people who absolutely must have someone in a catsuit in a story affect a story I'm writing and if people in charge won't accept that, then they have to find another writer.
I've written a lot of different things during the years from stories to journalistic stuff and musical advertisement, all of that as a job for which I've been paid but I've never sold out. What I write is what they get and in most cases it has worked for me.
I can understand that point, even if I do think that those who get upset by a certain number in this case are narrow-minded and simply don't get that a two-year Ocampa is equivalent to a 20 year old human.
I mean, they do accept that Tuvok is almost 100 years old or whatever without starting screaming about "oh, but he's too old to be on a ship, he should be in a home for old people!"
What was actually worse is that the concept was so totally wrong because a living being with such a short lifespan would never develope to anything more than a primate and it was very limited in many ways.
Even more sad is that those in charge probably did realize that it didn't work but they did nothing to correct it, they just moved on like a train with no driver and tought "ah, never mind, the viewers won't notice".
As they always did when something was wrong.
The simplest and best!
I never bought that book because I thought (and still think) is that the author made all the former Voyager characters boring. They became a bunch of has-beens who were living boring lives, far away from the glorious adventures in the past. That's something I just don't want to read about, it's as interesting and entertaining as watching wet paint dry.
Harry was the exception in that case!
But it's nothing to compare with the total destruction of one of my absolute favorite characters in another book by the same author.
A destruction which is second to the destruction of Kes in that episode, almost as horrible.
And that's a reason why I'll never will buy or read another book by that author!
Which is sad because some of the earlier books by the same author were actually very good, especially those with that character involved.
The ironic thing was that I wrote a post on TrekBBS where I praised the work of that author about one day before I found out about the character destruction.
Maybe it wasn't like that for them. If Trek hadn't so ably provided neurodivergent representation in Barclay, I would have been delighted to help them create their first ASD character. Is it unreasonable to believe that others would be eager to create characters of groups they either represent or advocate for?
That's generally the best kind of writing. Instead of grinding stuff out, it flows naturally.
I understand where you're coming from. But I get their perspective too. It's hard to get past the number, especially when it's that low. I think that it's because our society has a savage vendetta against those who prey on children... and that suits me just fine.
They figured we couldn't even count to 38. What does that tell you?
After seven tempestuous years, maybe they were ready for a quieter life.
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