Why was the USS Enterprise F decommissioned so early?
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You mean make the current output duller than it already is.
Why not? Don't you find it odd that you have rocks flying out when damage is taken on a StarShip?
That's incredibly silly and Suspension breaking.
I didn't find the action in "The Expanse" dull, and it was far more logical with it's battle damage.
Maybe it was decommissioned because her DOTs went haywire and repeatedly added "UCKING HUBRIS" to the registry with spraypaint?
Then go watch The Expanse and quit trying to turn Trek into something it has never been.
Why are you so afraid of change?
Because nothing you’ve pitched would make Trek better drama or more interesting.
I imagine so. If we all thought the same way this would be a pretty uninteresting place.
Have you watched any of the Battle Scenes in "The Expanse"?
I am watching a show with an unrealistic design, warp drive that we can't obtain, and a transporter that is actually terrifying when you think about it. The careers of these officers sometimes doesn't make any sense from a organizational standpoint, including refusing promotion.
Rocks is the least of my suspension breaking concerns.
This as well. It's not actually improving the show. It's saying it needs to be a particular way because...reasons.
STAR TREK is first and foremost entertainment.
Back on topic, the Enterprise E should not have been lost off screen. And I don't even like that ship.
How so? How is it Un-Realistic for Sci-Fi?
That's true of any FTL drive in Sci-Fi at this point in Humanity.
Not if you understand how it works in universe.
How so, other than Will Riker getting the right to refuse Captaincy
Really, cause that's one of the most suspension breaking things for me.
Gotta be honest, I made it through the first season but the show generally bored me.
I loved the battles in that show, it feels very logical / grounded to me and everything makes sense.
All while having Action, Excitement, Drama, etc.
For sci-fi? If you want sci-fi explanations then the rocks can come up with a response. From a realistic, suspension of belief aspect, the sheer points of the engines, the bridge at the top of the ship, and lack of seatbelts is problematic.
So, my sense of disbelief is already needing suspension.
You asked about suspension of disbelief. It affects that.
Officers with their experience would be offered different assignments to spread their experience, as well as additional responsibilities. Kirk would be a mission commander as an admiral, rather than just getting demoted to captain. See also other various promotions that should have happened.
It's space fantasy. I have to be already suspended in my disbelief. The more I study space travel the more I have to suspend it for Star Trek.
Generally, the space battles are my least favorite thing about Trek.
If I want realism, I’ll go read a book where the format promotes getting into the nuts and bolts of the why.
Lower Decks already did that for us. Althought I would prefer that they avoid using them in future productions.
What do you mean by "sheer points"?
I agree, I would rather have the Bridge buried in the center of the ship, with extra armor around the Bridge.
Use limited amounts of very expensive & resource intensive Neutronium Alloy to secure the Bridge Module that is buried in the ship, somewhere near the center of the Saucer Section.
I also concur, that can change in the future.
That's true with any show that has some form of FTL drive.
I see, so how hard Sci-Fi do you want things?
But in the "Utopian World of the UFP / StarFleet", they can't force you out unless you show you did something wrong or are incompetent.
And Riker is the furthest thing from that. He literally saved Earth / the UFP by being Acting Captain during the first Borg Crisis.
Well, they wanted to punish him, so they sent him back down the Rank Ladder to where he wanted to be.
Most of the TNG crew got promoted by the end of their careers, only a few didn't.
- Jean-Luc Picard = Captain -> Admiral
- Beverly Crusher = Lt. Cmdr -> Admiral
- William T. Riker = Commander -> Captain
- Deanna Troi = Lt. Cmdr -> Commander
- Geordi La Forge = Lt. JG. -> Commodore
- Worf = Lt. JG. -> Captain
- Data = Lt. Cmdr -> Lt. Cmdr
Data is the one who never got promoted from the first time we saw him, to the last time we saw him.
Everybody else got some sort of promotion.
That's why Trek is part of Softer Sci-Fi.
Fair enough, but that's been the nature of Star Trek.
I guess I fall on the opposite spectrum, I LOVE the Space Battles in Trek.
But I do have issues with some aspects of it.
Particularly the portrayals of damage on the bridge and the combat ranges being TOO CLOSE, given the vastness of space.
I agree. The exploding Consoles and the rocks in the control panels is just one of the silly dumb things to me.
Would be pretty dull just watching dots of light shooting at each other. There are simply times where physics and entertainment clash and, if we’re talking TV, entertainment should win every single time.
Thin points upholding important things.
Agreed.
Change for the sake of change.
This is true.
In Star Trek? Not very.
So...if I'm Starfleet who just lost multiple captains and crews I would never consider promoting them and distributing them across the fleet to support training of new personnel to take on a new threat.
So...not a punishment.
Exactly. So rocks are not an issue.
Since the beginning things have exploded: from the second pilot of TOS
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