Why was the USS Enterprise F decommissioned so early?

[tharpdevenport]

What's wrong with "Fat People"?
Why can't they be shown on screen?
Scotty got fat in his older years, he's still a legendary figure in Trek & still beloved.

Bald people are still around, I don't see what's wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with Thick Computer Screens as long as you use the housing / shell to put in more hardware behind the display.

Nothing wrong with Non-Alcoholic Bevarages.

You miss the unspoken overarching point: in a perfect future with no exploding panels and constant technological improvements hundreds of years from now, it makes no sense people are fat and bald. It makes no sense they feel the need to drink.

It's unrealistic to even think anybody would chose to be fat or chose to be bald. Just as nobody would chose to be missing a limb or chose to be shorter than everybody else in this fictional fantastical world of the future.

Theyr'e stupid and unbelievable, like an andriod getting his fingers caught in a paper Chinese finger trap, or beaming a large tree out into space and destroying to prove the might of a starship (those damn trees are hard to beat, you gotta admit after all ;-). OH, wait...

 

[HotRod]

I don't know what you have against STO vessels and it's lore?

They're mostly butt ugly and over designed. The "facts" written about them also come off as stuff written by children. Practically all of them have some silly little gimmick, like having an extra Defiant-like ship attached to them or some other special ability. They sound exactly like ships made for a video game, because they are. They just should have stayed in the video game.

 

[tharpdevenport]

They just should have stayed in the video game.

Same thing happened in Star Wars as Disney kept making things -- stuff from games, fanbooks, etc., made their way in. Two or three (as I recall) in "Star Wars: Rebels" alone.

The number of poor choices appears to be directly proportional to the poor choices in franchise and people chosen to run with them. It's like a stiff wanking warp curve.

 

[HotRod]

The USS Voyager became a proper museum. It was shown in Lower Decks that it became a museum.

Voyager became a museum, yes. That doesn't mean the Intrepid Class itself became legendary. Hell, even Voyagers status as its own museum was temporary as we know it eventually ended up at the fleet museum with the rest.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You miss the unspoken overarching point: in a perfect future with no exploding panels

That's just designing your tech to be basic OSHA safe.

Nobody wants their Computer & Hardware to explode.

and constant technological improvements hundreds of years from now,

That means it should be safer, not more likely to explode.

Granted nVIDIA isn't helping that case with it's dumb 12V-HPWR connector that it forced into existence, but that's a story for another day.

it makes no sense people are fat and bald.

Have you not met normal people IRL?

It makes no sense they feel the need to drink.

People ENJOY drinking, that's a basic part of humanity.

It's unrealistic to even think anybody would chose to be fat or chose to be bald.

Human's are lazy, create a comfortable environment, many people will get fat.

As for baldness, people need to get over the superficial issues with people being bald.

That's part of maturing and growing up, just accepting people for what they are naturally.

Just as nobody would chose to be missing a limb

That's a different issue entirely.

or chose to be shorter than everybody else in this fictional fantastical world of the future.

If it's natural, people generally are okay with it as long as it isn't debilitating.

How do you propose a shorter person to get taller?
Any ideas?
Once they're fully grown, how would a person become taller?

Theyr'e stupid and unbelievable, like an andriod getting his fingers caught in a paper Chinese finger trap,

If you've never experience a Chinese Finger trap, don't be surprised that you would get caught.
Lack of Knowledge / Experience can cause problems.
That's true for humans, much less Data.

or beaming a large tree out into space and destroying to prove the might of a starship (those damn trees are hard to beat, you gotta admit after all ;-). OH, wait...

You could just as easily blow up an asteroid.

 

[CoveTom]

The answer is that nothing is canon unless it's shown or mentioned on screen. Beta canon is not any measure of proof.

Proof? For something that occurs in a fictional universe? The only "real" answer is that these things happen because the writers and producers want them to.

Terry Matalas had the goal of bringing back the Enteprise-D as the big emotional moment of the season and then christening a new Enteprise that looked like the refit Constitution class as the conclusion of the season. So the Enterprise-E and Enterprise-F had to be gotten out of the way to make that happen. They handwave away the E by using a throwaway line in the shuttle, and then they decommission the F.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Voyager became a museum, yes. That doesn't mean the Intrepid Class itself became legendary. Hell, even Voyagers status as its own museum was temporary as we know it eventually ended up at the fleet museum with the rest.

But the fundamental shape of the Intrepid class gets iterated upon moving down the timeline.

Look at Voyager's A, B, J.

They all follow a similar design style.

 

[HotRod]

But the fundamental shape of the Intrepid class gets iterated upon moving down the timeline.

Ok? And? Someone likes the shape. Still doesn’t make it legendary.

Look at Voyager's A

Which I'd say had more Sovereign design elements than Intrepid.

 

[tharpdevenport]

That's just designing your tech to be basic OSHA safe.

Nobody wants their Computer & Hardware to explode.

Yes, but like I said, you're expecting too much from television, and you're assigning what is to ther 24th and 25th centirues. OSHA hundreds of years from now? About as likely as McDonald's on Earth in the 24th century.

Oh course nobody wants their panels to explode, but those redshirts gotta die somehow!

That means it should be safer, not more likely to explode.

The fictional world of the future can be what ever the writers deem. They want exploding panels, they get exploding panels. It also makes it more relatable to people who are not giant sci-fi nerds.

People ENJOY drinking, that's a basic part of humanity.

You;re assigning today's society to a fictional one hundredss of years from now on a starship.

That's part of maturing and growing up, just accepting people for what they are naturally.

You're assigning today's current scientific limitations to a fictional one hundreds of years from now. You keep trying to oddly personalize it to me, too.

How do you propose a shorter person to get taller?
Any ideas?
Once they're fully grown, how would a person become taller?

You're assigning today's current scientific limitations to a fictional one hundreds of years from now.

If you've never experience a Chinese Finger trap, don't be surprised that you would get caught.
Lack of Knowledge / Experience can cause problems.

I guess Data's 800 quadrillion bit storage capacity brain doesn't shave space for Chinese finger traps. Yeah, I mean, he can figure out which Data is the real Data in a moment of parrallel reality break down in a complex situation and save the day, but that damn Chinese finger trap -- it's hard to figure out that temporal issues an the other countless highly sophisticated things he figures in mere seconds.

To think, al this time all they needed to do to deferat the Borg was just send over a box of Chinese finger traps and a large tree.

 

[Dukhat]

They just should have stayed in the video game.

While I didn't mind them using STO and Eaglemoss CGI models for background ships to save on the budget, I just objected to the specific ships they chose. There are actually some not-so-bad designs STO made for the 2400's period, like the Avenger class.

But the fundamental shape of the Intrepid class gets iterated upon moving down the timeline.

Look at Voyager's A, B, J.

They all follow a similar design style.

The A looks far more like the Sovereign than the Intrepid.

Proof? For something that occurs in a fictional universe? The only "real" answer is that these things happen because the writers and producers want them to.

Terry Matalas had the goal of bringing back the Enterprise-D as the big emotional moment of the season and then christening a new Enterprise that looked like the refit Constitution class as the conclusion of the season. So the Enterprise-E and Enterprise-F had to be gotten out of the way to make that happen. They handwave away the E by using a throwaway line in the shuttle, and then they decommission the F.

Yes, and that was all stupid.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Ok? And? Someone likes the shape. Still doesn’t make it legendary.

It gets used in the Voyager A, B, J.

We know that fundamental design shape lives on well into the future.

The fact that it gets iterated on, up to the 32nd century makes it pretty legendary IMO.

Which I'd say had more Sovereign design elements than Intrepid.

Well StarFleet was in a "Design Kick" where they were "Sovereign-nizing" all sorts of ships.

Obviously, beyond the Sovereign-class & the Enterprise-E which went down and "Wasn't Worf's fault".

Ergo:
- the Ross-class was a Sovereign-ized Galaxy-class design.
- the Lamar-class was a Sovereign-ized Interpid-class design.
- Captain Carol Freeman didn't want her USS Cerritos to be Sovereign-ized, so I'm assuming there was a Sovereign-ized varaint of the California Class somewhere in StarFleet's StarShip design some-where.

It's like how the basic Galaxy-class led to the Nebula-class and countless other designs that had "Galaxy-like" designs.

StarFleet was in a "Sovereign-nizing" design phase.

 

[Ithekro]

If I recall, both the "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise" and "Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual" had better safety features that could be entirely logical and reasonable today than are actually depicted on screen (some of the time).

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Yes, but like I said, you're expecting too much from television, and you're assigning what is to ther 24th and 25th centirues. OSHA hundreds of years from now? About as likely as McDonald's on Earth in the 24th century.

You know what I mean, the UFP equivalent of OSHA.

Oh course nobody wants their panels to explode, but those redshirts gotta die somehow!

I'm sure I can come up with creative ways for people to die w/o having their computer panels explode in their face.

The fictional world of the future can be what ever the writers deem. They want exploding panels, they get exploding panels. It also makes it more relatable to people who are not giant sci-fi nerds.

How is exploding computer panels more relatable to people?
Do people expect modern computers to explode in their face?

There are COUNTLESS things that we can make explode for a more "Logical Reason"

You;re assigning today's society to a fictional one hundredss of years from now on a starship.

Humanity has managed to enjoy Alcohol since time immemorial, I doubt that aspect of humanity is going to change long into the future.

You're assigning today's current scientific limitations to a fictional one hundreds of years from now. You keep trying to oddly personalize it to me, too.

Because you brought it up and seem to care about being bald for some reason.
Even Patrick Stewart talked about the Baldness aspect and Gene told them that it wouldn't matter in the future.

Star Trek creator's perfect comment on casting a bald captain for ST: TNG

At a press conference about Star Trek: The Next Generation, a reporter asked Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry about casting Patrick Stewart, commenting that "Surely by the 24th century, they would have found a cure for male pattern baldness." Gene Roddenberry had the perfect response.


"No, by the 24th century, no one will care."


Above, Stewart talks life as a bald man.

You're assigning today's current scientific limitations to a fictional one hundreds of years from now.

It's Sci-Fi, come up with a believable way to make a full grown adult taller once their body has fully developed & matured?
I'm sure you can think of something.

I guess Data's 800 quadrillion bit storage capacity brain doesn't shave space for Chinese finger traps.

Or it wasn't deemed relevant information to put in by his creator.

Yeah, I mean, he can figure out which Data is the real Data in a moment of parrallel reality break down in a complex situation and save the day, but that damn Chinese finger trap -- it's hard to figure out that temporal issues an the other countless highly sophisticated things he figures in mere seconds.

You're only as good as the information you program into your computer.

To think, al this time all they needed to do to deferat the Borg was just send over a box of Chinese finger traps and a large tree.

The Borg would've probably just brute forced their way out of the finger trap or never got stuck since one of their hands gets replaced by some sort of tool.
And I doubt they would care about the tree.

 

[BillJ]

The general shape of the Intrepid-class seems to live on in the various starships named USS Voyager (A, B, and J)

This is what makes me sad in all of this. The Federation advanced a thousand years and there is very little originality.

Trek has become a zombie eating its own heart.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

This is what makes me sad in all of this. The Federation advanced a thousand years and there is very little originality.

Trek has become a zombie eating its own heart.

Or it can respect classical design and iterate on it.

"If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It!".

You got to ask yourself, why would StarFleet still deploy the Argo (Ground Vehicle) when Hover Platforms exist well into the 24th century?

Just because Anti-Grav is a well known technology, doesn't mean that you replace all wheeled vehicles.

Wheels are still good and have many Positive Attributes.

While Anti-Grav is all well & dandy, I can think of plenty of reasons to not use it in every situation.

 

[BillJ]

"If It Ain't Broke, Don't Fix It!".

That isn't how humans work. Or else, we'd still be living in caves, killing animals with spears and cooking with straight fire.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

That isn't how humans work. Or else, we'd still be living in caves,

We upgrade from Caves to Box-like Homes that replaces the cave.

killing animals with spears

We use more "Modern Weapons" to kill them when hunted for out in the wild.

Or we breed them to be mass slaughtered and sold for meat at the super market.

and cooking with straight fire.

Well, we do have Gas Stoves, I'm sure you know that many people either BBQ or use Gas Stoves.

Not everybody has moved to Radiant Electric Stoves or Induction Magnetic Stoves.


We improve on the older concept, but the concept is still there, it's just a bit more refined.

 

[fireproof78]

No, that's not true. Matalas should have bothered. But what he should have bothered to do was to show the Enterprise-E getting decommissioned, rather than a ship that only less than 1% of the Star Trek fanbase even knew existed. Instead of catering to the 100% of Trek fans who saw the TNG films and might have liked some closure to the fate of the Enterprise-E, Matalas instead chose to make some lame joke at Worf's expense, and provide zero information as to what actually happened to the ship. Just my opinion, of course.

This. Should have done this. Connect with a ship that is familiar and don't make the audience guess. Disservice to the story, disservice to the audience and ignores any potential attachment people might have to the E.

 

[fireproof78]

We improve on the older concept, but the concept is still there, it's just a bit more refined.

A lot more refined and often less labor intensive and less likely to kill you.

 

[BillJ]

I always struggled with the E, so it wouldn’t have made much difference to me whether it was there or not.