Though — is it too long ago to still be angry about the random fate of Danny Pink? Because nothing else in the entire franchise ever made me so furious.
What are your Doctor Who hot takes?
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Never too late to have a gripe
Hated Danny. Loved his fate!
It reminded me of the "Elf with a Gun" from the Defenders comics back in the '70s.
Oh, I have thought about where the "Curse of the Fatal Death" Doctors can fit, and the Nick Briggs Doctor, and the Richard E. Grant Doctor (who does fit somewhere, thanks to RTD).
Tie-in fiction doesn't really work that way. It's a cool idea, but taking away a "canonical" Doctor also takes away a selling point. And the BBC would say, "How does the Fizzy McFizzyface Doctor actually support the series?" Cool idea, not workable, sorry.
I was cool to Danny my first time through Series 8, but I loved him the second time through and I think he's the best thing about Series 8. I hate his fate, but I also hate "Dark Water/Death in Heaven" with unbridled fury.
I would’ve thought that it sets things up nicely for a standalone film more so than fiction. Remember a few years ago when David Yates was supposed to be making a DW film that was unconnected to the tv show? This would allow them to cast a name British actor, be it Hugh Grant, Eddie Redmayne, Andrew Garfield or whoever. (Though I’m not convinced that they’ll ever do so)
I did find the whole 3WI thing quite ugly, particularly in its resolution. I felt the same way about Chibnall’s ending for the Time Lords years later, for much the same reason.
That was great, I saw that one in the afternoon after coming home from school.
I'm not sure if this really fits this thread, but the new series obsession with making The Doctor the last Time Lord is really starting to get on my nerves. The original series had them as an active player for it's entire run and it worked perfectly fine, so getting rid of them repeatedly doesn't really seem necessary for the show to work. I didn't mind at first when they thought they had all died in the Time War, but the way they keep wiping them out, them bringing them, just to get rid of them again, and then bring them back and then get rid of them again is just getting repetitive and annoying at this point.
The Time Lords didn't appear until the last story of the Second Doctor. As for working perfectly fine, there were fans who loudly hated "The Deadly Assassin" for making them seem less godlike and powerful. A lot of generalizations about how things in the old days used to be consistent and accepted and not changed for the sake of change seem to be based on looking at 1963-1989 as a whole while looking at 2005- as a series of new things. Things changed in 1963-1989 just as often, and fans complained just as often.
Yeah they just had to write letters to newspapers, or Points of View, or print fanzines rather than splashing their complaints all over the internet.
Imagine how prolific the #notmydoctor tags would have been if there was social media in 1966!
Timelords
Two hearts
Gallifrey
Regeneration
Regeneration limits!
The Master
None of these things appeared for some time
The modern showrunners don't like the Time Lords in general, which is the main reason RTD made them extinct. Bringing them back in TEOT was a suggestion from Julie Gardner, which RTD was initially vehemently against, until he realized he could organically fit it into the story for the episode. And even then, he went on to regret the decision, complaining that Time Lords are difficult to write for.
Moffat also doesn't care for the Time Lords, the decision to restore Gallifrey in Day of the Doctor coming about only because he couldn't think up anything else that seemed "grand enough" for the fiftieth anniversary, and even then he still issued an apology to fandom a few years later for the decision. I'm guessing Chibnall also has a low opinion of the Time Lords which is why he made them extinct again.
Moffat also doesn't care for the Time Lords, the decision to restore Gallifrey in Day of the Doctor coming about only because he couldn't think up anything else that seemed "grand enough" for the fiftieth anniversary, and even then he still issued an apology to fandom a few years later for the decision. I'm guessing Chibnall also has a low opinion of the Time Lords which is why he made them extinct again.
Just like Trek, just like Wars, and probably every other fandom that lasts long enough for things to change…
Bring back Kal-L and the Daily Star!!! George Taylor and redhaired Luthor!!!!
"And drop this silly flying business! He leaps tall buildings, not fly over them!"
It's pretty common knowledge, but for anybody possibly puzzled, Superman did not start off actually "flying" in the comics. That idea was introduced in the Fleischer Studios animated theatrical short subjects. The animation just thought it looked more dramatic. Somebody at Detective Comics must have liked the notion because they worked it into the comic narrative. Over the years, many readers never realized it was not part of the original conception and earliest issues. Similar thing with Krytonite. That was a gimmick created for the radio series in 1943 and worked its way into the comic several year later. Yet today we just can't imagine Superman without those elements. But if social media existed, dang, you just know "fans" would have howled just as we see today.
Each new instance required something bigger to make it work. Making it personal, via the Master, was arguably the best way to do it, but it's one of the few times I never cared about the Time Lords as the Doctor ran away from them to explore the universe or whatever the real reason was. Whenever we'd see them, it started great as they came across truly big but then got watered down so much that now shiny new ubergods were needed - hence the Guardians. No worries, we'll replace them or change their names when all that starts to get bored and we never did get the third encounter, promised at the end of "Enlightenment", also proving that the 80s weren't always so hot to trot on using continuity and returning monsters as plot fodder, though that was going on to varying extents since 1964... and for all we know, nobody really fathomed a neat way to bring in that third encounter anyhow, apart from another revenge arc or big key to control all of time quest.
Or maybe because I'd read all about it before when the Daleks' home planet was returned because the Hand of Omega wiped out not Skaro after all, but a... decoy planet the Daleks had laying around somehow. The narrative cheat was hokey in "War of the Daleks", but you know a bunch of other fans wanted the planet back as they thought the destruction of Skaro in "Remembrance of the Daleks" was so epic that it was hokey too. In other words, the yo-yo treatment of planets going down but brought back up again isn't going to end.
Just a few that come to mind immediately:
* Eight episode seasons are not long enough to connect with a Doctor regardless of the quality of the episodes, especially when The doctor is barely in two of the episodes.
* Classic Who is better then NuWho in general, although obviously both eras have great parts and absolutely garbage parts
* The NuWho companions constantly being young women from modern UK is boring and over played
* The Time Lords and Galifrey existing is only a positive for the franchise, there is no reason to kill them off when even in Classic Who they barely factored into The Doctor's adventures even when they were at their full power. The Timelords being around don't prevent any type of story, and destroying them again was just the showrunner(s) being petty and shortsighted.
* William Hartnell's Doctor was the first Doctor, there is no "Timeless Child" or "The Other" and the constant attempts at retconning him as not being the literal 1st Doctor is shitty and disrepectful to the character, the actor and the show in general.
* Chibnall and RTD both wanted to make the franchise "their show", and in doing so have done a lot of stupid things and have hurt the show in general
* RTD is as bad, if not worse then, JJ Abrams when it comes to stupid "mystery box" BS.
* The Sixth Doctor's normal costume is cool and works for him, and every attempt by spin off material to try to change it is objectively worse (I'm looking at you, stupid Big Finish Blue Coat).
* Eight episode seasons are not long enough to connect with a Doctor regardless of the quality of the episodes, especially when The doctor is barely in two of the episodes.
* Classic Who is better then NuWho in general, although obviously both eras have great parts and absolutely garbage parts
* The NuWho companions constantly being young women from modern UK is boring and over played
* The Time Lords and Galifrey existing is only a positive for the franchise, there is no reason to kill them off when even in Classic Who they barely factored into The Doctor's adventures even when they were at their full power. The Timelords being around don't prevent any type of story, and destroying them again was just the showrunner(s) being petty and shortsighted.
* William Hartnell's Doctor was the first Doctor, there is no "Timeless Child" or "The Other" and the constant attempts at retconning him as not being the literal 1st Doctor is shitty and disrepectful to the character, the actor and the show in general.
* Chibnall and RTD both wanted to make the franchise "their show", and in doing so have done a lot of stupid things and have hurt the show in general
* RTD is as bad, if not worse then, JJ Abrams when it comes to stupid "mystery box" BS.
* The Sixth Doctor's normal costume is cool and works for him, and every attempt by spin off material to try to change it is objectively worse (I'm looking at you, stupid Big Finish Blue Coat).
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