Shared universe with other franchises

[DarrenTR1970]

It was either Adam-12 or Emergency! that referenced the other show as being fictional, only for the characters to turn up in a later episode.
I'm thinking it was Reed and Malloy that showed up on Emergency!

 

[Christopher]

I recently saw an Elementary episode where Sherlock Holmes referenced Batman as a fictional character, but Sherlock Holmes is a real historical figure in Batman comics (and there was an anniversary story in Detective Comics in the '70s or so where an exceedingly old, well-preserved Sherlock Holmes showed up alive to help Batman and DC's other detective heroes solve their big team-up case).

I'm pretty sure the characters in Elementary have referenced Star Trek at least once, but Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character in the Trek universe.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm pretty sure the characters in Elementary have referenced Star Trek at least once, but Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character in the Trek universe.

A clip from TNG plays in one episode (just a generic clip of the characters on the transporter pad) and there's one episode where Sherlock's teenage hacker friend tells him he wants a "Tapestry Picard action figure" in exchange for his services in that episode. I'm highlighting references to TNG specifically since that series has two Sherlock Holmes centered episodes.

 

[UssGlenn]

but Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character in the Trek universe.

Damn you're right, explicitly so in "Data's Day". I was hoping the Holmes stories could be inspired by a real person in the Trek universe.

 

[Christopher]

I was hoping the Holmes stories could be inspired by a real person in the Trek universe.

Well, they were inspired by a real person -- Arthur Conan Doyle's mentor Dr. Joseph Bell.

 

[UssGlenn]

Well, they were inspired by a real person -- Arthur Conan Doyle's mentor Dr. Joseph Bell.

well yeah, but I was just thinking it would be neat if the author of the Holmes books in the Trek universe really was John Watson, so Holmes could both be a book character for Data to play and also Spock's real ancestor.

 

[FormerLurker]

there was an anniversary story in Detective Comics in the '70s or so where an exceedingly old, well-preserved Sherlock Holmes showed up alive to help Batman and DC's other detective heroes solve their big team-up case).

MId to late '80s, drawn by Alan Davis.

 

[MAGolding]

I recently saw an Elementary episode where Sherlock Holmes referenced Batman as a fictional character, but Sherlock Holmes is a real historical figure in Batman comics (and there was an anniversary story in Detective Comics in the '70s or so where an exceedingly old, well-preserved Sherlock Holmes showed up alive to help Batman and DC's other detective heroes solve their big team-up case).

I'm pretty sure the characters in Elementary have referenced Star Trek at least once, but Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character in the Trek universe.

Except that in Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country Spock quotes Sherlock Holmes, and says that is something said by an ancestor of Spock (On his mother's side, obviously). Thus he claimed either Sherlock Holmes or Sir. Arthur Conan Doyle as an ancestor.

And other the other hand some of the TNG episodes reference the Sherlock Holmes" stories like Holmes is fictional.

Some people might say that proves that in Star Trek Spock was descended form Doyle and not from Holmes who must be fictional.

See the tv tropes article "Recursive Cannon" for examples where show A can be both fictional and real life in show B. And some cases where things get much more complicated than that.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RecursiveCanon

Recursive Reality - TV Tropes

To understand recursion, one must first understand recursion. Multiple worlds that exist side-by-side are fairly common in fantasy and speculative fiction, but sometimes things get more complicated than one dream world, Another Dimension, a …

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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MutuallyFictional

 

[MAGolding]

And of course if the novel Ishmael is included in someone's personal Star Trek canon it becomes not merely a 256-page elephant in the room but more like a 256-ton whale jumping on your 56-ton ship, the USS Star Trek.

[And yes, an actual small wooden ship listed among those sunk by whales was in some versions sunk by the whale leaping out of the sea and onto the deck.]

One) the Warner Brothers western tv universe or the Maverick tv universe. Warner brothers made a lot of tv shows, including westerns, in the 1950s.

One of the most famous of them was Maverick (1957-1962) set mostly in the 1870s as far as I can tell. Spin offs included the tv movies The New Maverick (1978), the series Young Maverick (1979), and the tv series Bret Maverick (1981).

The Maverick episode "Hadley's Hunter's" (Sept. 25, 1960) had many crossovers.



https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0644455/

So the Warner Bros. or Maverick tv universe includes not only Maverick (1957-1962), The New Maverick (1978), Young Maverick (1979), and Bret Maverick (1981), but also Cheyenne (1955-1963), Sugarfoot (1957-1961), Colt .45 (1957-1960), Bronco (1958-1962), and Lawman (1958-1962).

i know that Cheyenne Bodie roamed the west from job to job, while the lawmen in Lawman worked in Laramie, Wyoming.

Two) The Gambler tv universe.

The Gambler series is a series of five tv movies.

The fourth is The Gambler Returns: The Luck of the Draw (1991) .


So The Gambler Returns: The Luck of the Draw (1991) .seems to exist in a shared fictional universe with the other four Gambler tv movies, plus, The Life and Legend of Wyatt Earp (1955-1961), Cheyenne (1955-1963), Maverick (1957-1962), Have Gun - Will Travel (1957-1963), Bat Masterson (1958-1961),The Rifleman (1958-1963), Rawhide (1959-1965), The Westerner (1960), and Kung Fu (1972-1975), and maybe also The Virginian (1961-1971).

And there are two character links, Bart Maverick and Cheyenne Bodie, between the Warner Bros. or Maverick tv universe and The Gambler tv universe.

Three) the Ishmael universe.

Barbara Hambly's novel Ishmael (1985) features time travel to Seattle, Washington in the time of the tv series Here Come the Brides (1968-1970). It is revealed that Spock's mother's full name is Amanda stemple Grayson, implying she may be descended from Aaron Stemple of Seattle.




So Ishmael not only links Star Trek with Here Come the Brides (1968-1970), but science fiction productions, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica (1978-1979), and Doctor Who (1963-1989), and also a bunch of western tv shows.

Western tv shows like Gunsmoke (1955-1975), Maverick (1957-1962), Have Gun - Will Travel (1957-1963), The Rifleman (1958-1963), Rawhide (1959-1965), and Bonanza (1959-1973) with its tv movie sequels and its Australian filmed prequel series Ponderosa (2001-2002), and the western novel Jubilee Trail. And some of those tv shows link Star Trek with both the Warner Bros. or Maverick tv universe and the Gambler tv universe.

Or Ishmael (1985) does link Star Trek to those other programs if you want it to.

And I could add the Wold Newton Family or Wold Newton Universe originated by Philip Jose Farmer.

n real life a meteorite, called the Wold Cottage meteorite, fell near Wold Newton, Yorkshire, England, on December 13, 1795.

Farmer suggested in two fictional biographies, Tarzan Alive: A Definitive Biography of Lord Greystoke (1972) and Doc Savage: His Apocalyptic Life (1973) that this meteorite caused genetic mutations in the occupants of two passing coaches due to ionization. Many of their descendants were thus endowed with extremely high intelligence and strength, as well as an exceptional capacity and drive to perform good or, as the case may be, evil deeds. The progeny of these travellers are purported to have been the real-life originals of fictionalised characters, both heroic and villainous, over the last few hundred years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wold_Newton_family

And it has been claimed that Star Trek is part of the Wold Newton universe.

https://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Spock.htm

 

[Victoria]

The TNG episode "The Neutral Zone" lists six (I think) Doctors as ancestors of "Claire Raymond". Of course, that was a graphic that was never meant to be read by viewers.

 

[Christopher]

The TNG episode "The Neutral Zone" lists six (I think) Doctors as ancestors of "Claire Raymond". Of course, that was a graphic that was never meant to be read by viewers.

Rather, it showed that Clare's ancestors were namesakes for the first six Doctor Who actors, several characters from M*A*S*H, Gilligan's Island, and The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and Kermit the Frog and Miss Piggy. The remastered version replaced the family-tree graphic with one that didn't have the in-jokes.

 

[IRW Bloodwing]

A momument to Jackson Roykirk (identified by its plaque) and the NOMAD probe appears in one episode of seaQuest DSV, and there is a USS Seaquest listed as part of Starfleet in a personnel file in an episode of TNG.

If you were to expand your definition out to include licensed media, Trek has crossed over with both the Marvel AND the DC universes plus Dr. Who.

 

[Christopher]

A momument to Jackson Roykirk (identified by its plaque) and the NOMAD probe appears in one episode of seaQuest DSV, and there is a USS Seaquest listed as part of Starfleet in a personnel file in an episode of TNG.

I think we're getting too far afield here. An in-joke reference to a name from another franchise does not constitute a serious assertion that the two series take place in the same universe.

 

[Shawnster]

A momument to Jackson Roykirk (identified by its plaque) and the NOMAD probe appears in one episode of seaQuest DSV, and there is a USS Seaquest listed as part of Starfleet in a personnel file in an episode of TNG.

And I believe Roykirk is mentioned in Team Knight Rider.

 

[FredH]

I think we're getting too far afield here. An in-joke reference to a name from another franchise does not constitute a serious assertion that the two series take place in the same universe.

True… though it’s funny: Had SeaQuest DSV not taken its sharp weird turn into pulp sci-fi in Season 2 and continent-melting war in Season 3, and had First Contact not established what Trek’s mid-21st century looked like, SeaQuest could have worked pretty well as an at least thematic prequel to Star Trek.

 

[Christopher]

True… though it’s funny: Had SeaQuest DSV not taken its sharp weird turn into pulp sci-fi in Season 2 and continent-melting war in Season 3, and had First Contact not established what Trek’s mid-21st century looked like, SeaQuest could have worked pretty well as an at least thematic prequel to Star Trek.

Interesting thought.

I've sometimes wondered if, when Roddenberry established the "Post-Atomic Horror" in "Encounter at Farpoint," he was implicitly assuming that the atomic war had been the same one from his Genesis II/Planet Earth pilots. Those were set in 2133 and showed the Earth still recovering from the cataclysm, but at the time, the details of Trek history were still vague enough that it was conceivable that the idealistic Pax organization of the pilots had been responsible for building the enlightened Earth society of the 23rd-24th centuries. Or at least that Trek history had played out in a comparable way; he wouldn't have been able to make an explicit connection, since those pilots were from Warner Bros rather than Paramount.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Interesting thought.

I've sometimes wondered if, when Roddenberry established the "Post-Atomic Horror" in "Encounter at Farpoint," he was implicitly assuming that the atomic war had been the same one from his Genesis II/Planet Earth pilots. Those were set in 2133 and showed the Earth still recovering from the cataclysm, but at the time, the details of Trek history were still vague enough that it was conceivable that the idealistic Pax organization of the pilots had been responsible for building the enlightened Earth society of the 23rd-24th centuries. Or at least that Trek history had played out in a comparable way; he wouldn't have been able to make an explicit connection, since those pilots were from Warner Bros rather than Paramount.

The Roddenverse.

 

[Phoenix219]

The Roddenverse.

Could we mix Questor in with the Soongs somehow? Lol.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Could we mix Questor in with the Soongs somehow? Lol.

UPDATE:
Wrangler
The Long Hunt of April Savage
The Lieutenant
Assignment: Earth
Questor
Spectre
Genesis II/Planet Earth
Star Trek

 

[Phoenix219]

Wow. I've never even heard of the first two, and I've never found or seen Spectre.