What behind-the-scenes detail(s) do you remember being particularly interesting or surprising to learn?

[JesterFace]

When getting into STNG long ago learning behind the scenes stuff was interesting but these days I try to keep some secrets, knowing too much might hurt the fantasy world.
How much did that not make sense?

 

[Alexander Corrino]

When getting into STNG long ago learning behind the scenes stuff was interesting but these days I try to keep some secrets, knowing too much might hurt the fantasy world.
How much did that not make sense?

It does make kind of sense, it even reminds me of Sir Patrick being against bloopers and outtakes being released because he felt it would "ruin the magic". (I've secretly always believed that this is why the bloopers weren't included on the DVDs back in the day and only appeared on the BluRays many years later.)

 

[CoveTom]

It does make kind of sense, it even reminds me of Sir Patrick being against bloopers and outtakes being released because he felt it would "ruin the magic". (I've secretly always believed that this is why the bloopers weren't included on the DVDs back in the day and only appeared on the BluRays many years later.)

I thought that was a Rick Berman thing, not a Patrick Stewart one. The bloopers only appeared once Berman had no control over the franchise.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

It might have been both of them - Berman might have been the one who actively kept the bloopers under wraps and Sir Patrick agreed with it - or something like that. (Sir Patrick felt strongly about TNG and it being taken seriously, which was why he stormed off the set once before a scheduled TV interview with the entire cast because he felt the TV team was being disrespectful. He didn't come back, which was why the whole interview went down without him.)

 

[Takeru]

I thought that was a Rick Berman thing, not a Patrick Stewart one. The bloopers only appeared once Berman had no control over the franchise.

I thought the reason the bloopers appeared on the Blu-rays was because that's when they went back to the original footage for the HD remaster and got access to them. The bloopers starting with season 2 were in HD too and clearly newly assembled reels, they wouldn't have been available for the DVD release.

 

[at Quark's]

Speaking of 'bloopers' I would have loved it had they kept this one as the actual end of the episode for once ... just as a joke to long time fans ....

(And yes, I know this is not the final scene of Unification, part 1 , but still ...)

 

[Aspot]

I've always had a problem with the design of the uniforms and have recently learned that the actors felt the same way - only far more strongly. https://whatculture.com/tv/star-trek-10-secrets-of-the-next-generation-uniforms

 

[Laughing Dragon]

Hallie was also Blanche's niece in an episode of "The Golden Girls".

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Pretty sure she was on an episode of OG 'Quantum Leap'. She's a real good actress. Dont know if she ever did anything else.

Also, as to the question. I guess learning that Roddenberry supposedly said that there were to be no gay characters on TNG. But the writers sort of slipped it in when Crusher could not be with the man she fell in love with when the host was a woman and what she said at the end of the episode. Then there were those androgenous aliens trying to put the shoe on the other foot when said alien fell in love with Riker and it was considered an abomination to their race.

Then, that story told by James Doohan about that suicidal woman/fan who became an engineer later.

Last but not least when Stuart admitted in TNG's tribute at the end of the series that he said he made some ignorant comments about Americans and the rest of the cast basically took him off his pedestal. Which is funny because he said they taught him how to laugh and have fun and that he's actually a very silly man. I did not know how to feel about the comments. Insulted with the crew? Or kind of wondering about some indoctrination.

 

[DonIago]

Also, as to the question. I guess learning that Roddenberry supposedly said that there were to be no gay characters on TNG. But the writers sort of slipped it in when Crusher could not be with the man she fell in love with when the host was a woman and what she said at the end of the episode. Then there were those androgenous aliens trying to put the shoe on the other foot when said alien fell in love with Riker and it was considered an abomination to their race.

Crusher's line in "The Host" is absolutely awful:
"Perhaps it is a human failing, but we are not accustomed to these kinds of changes. I can't keep up. How long will you have this host? What would the next one be? I can't live with that kind of uncertainty. Perhaps, someday, our ability to love won't be so limited."

She could have worded it as though speaking purely to her own preferences and limitations, but her use of "a human failing", "we" and "our" is a clear indication that she's speaking for humanity in general, or at least thinks she is. Coming from a medical professional in particular, this is deeply disappointing. Don't ever claim to represent me, Bev.

Better would have been: "It's my failing, but I'm not accustomed to these kinds of changes. I can't keep up. How long will you have this host? What would the next one be? I can't live with that kind of uncertainty. Perhaps, someday, my ability to love won't be so limited. I'm sorry."

"The Outcast" is also pretty bad for several reasons.

Say what you want about Discovery, but at least it embraced non-heteronormative individuals and relationships.

 

[korblborp]

what were they planning for robin williams? i picture a friendly but less predictable Q...

 

[somebuddyX]

The model in Picard's ready room is NCC-7100 and not the Stargazer. I don't know why they just didn't give the Stargazer physical model that number.
Bajorans were originally conquered by Romulans
David Rappaport originally playing Kivas Fajo.
TPTB wanted a TNG spinoff around the time of Season 4
I always like it when things can be traced back earlier than I thought they were, like the Nebula class appearing in "The Wounded" but it was based off the Melbourne from "The Best of Both World, Part II"

 

[Trek Survivor]

what were they planning for robin williams? i picture a friendly but less predictable Q...

He was going to play the time traveller in the season 5 episode "A Matter of Time", but schedules couldn't be worked out so Matt Frewer took the role.

 

[Newt]

He was going to play the time traveller in the season 5 episode "A Matter of Time", but schedules couldn't be worked out so Matt Frewer took the role.

Remember that being an average outing so glad it didn’t work out.
At least the pitch wasn’t a cross over with mork and mindy haha

 

[DonIago]

Remember that being an average outing so glad it didn’t work out.
At least the pitch wasn’t a cross over with mork and mindy haha

Maybe it would have been better if it had been...

 

[Laughing Dragon]

Crusher's line in "The Host" is absolutely awful:
"Perhaps it is a human failing, but we are not accustomed to these kinds of changes. I can't keep up. How long will you have this host? What would the next one be? I can't live with that kind of uncertainty. Perhaps, someday, our ability to love won't be so limited."

She could have worded it as though speaking purely to her own preferences and limitations, but her use of "a human failing", "we" and "our" is a clear indication that she's speaking for humanity in general, or at least thinks she is. Coming from a medical professional in particular, this is deeply disappointing. Don't ever claim to represent me, Bev.

Better would have been: "It's my failing, but I'm not accustomed to these kinds of changes. I can't keep up. How long will you have this host? What would the next one be? I can't live with that kind of uncertainty. Perhaps, someday, my ability to love won't be so limited. I'm sorry."

"The Outcast" is also pretty bad for several reasons.

Say what you want about Discovery, but at least it embraced non-heteronormative individuals and relationships.

TBF...

This has nothing to do with 'Discovery' so please don't speak for me. But I do not watch it. But I know their were others that appreciated the effort. I don't know why Beverly can't say humankind in general. To get the message clear it goes true with ST's commentary on humanity in general. Also, they had to be more careful back then. The kiss between Uharua and Kirk they banned it in most southern states. if you were not alive back then then she was not. speaking for you obviously. Times were different. The in retrospect's are individuals in panning things when these people did the best they could. Don't worry one day heteronormative will be seen as outdated. A gay person in my family actually wanted us to watch 'The Outcast' as a good episode. And felt it was progressive. I guess for its time. You must be young. Even the gay community back then there they did not have the same theories as there are now even "heteronormative." Not everything can be a textbook. It would also not have the same impact if she just spoke for herself. But I feel the whole episode was more to do with the changing hosts as she had a similar problem when it went into Riker until she finally came around, and that ending they wanted to have some pro gay message.

What's wrong with the thought that counts? It's like being handed a gift and criticizing it. Also, don't pretend to know my political affiliation or my sexuality or gender please. Usually no how this stuff goes. Did not mean it was perfect anyway but think that's how they brought in gay themes to get around Roddenberry. And I can respect that. Anyway, I am laughing at the same era that cancelled 'Ellen' would be able to do what they do today. Though 'Friends' like a year later introduced a lesbian couple and not long after lesbian mommies. I don't know if this is some rivalry between shows or something. Sometimes subtle and allegories work better than something ham-fisted. Even if it has social messages for most it still is not like seeing a movie like 'Malcom X.' It was smart. They did what they could at the time. I am glad people can be more out now. It's great. But I would not prefer to look down at those in how they had to approach these subjects back then. It's easy to say these things now. It's funny to focus on this than Rodenberry himself.

 

[DonIago]

Please don't rationalize Beverly's line to me. It was a terrible line that's only become more terrible in time.

I absolutely don't believe TPTB were doing the best they could, and if you're going to make a claim of that nature, I would like some hard evidence to that effect.

BTW, I'm almost 50, so I definitely wouldn't say I'm young, and I don't appreciate what feels like an attempt to delegitimize my opinion by playing the, "You weren't there; it was a different time..." card.

In my earlier post I made it clear how TPTB could have easily made it about Bev's personal boundaries and limitations. But instead they chose to have her make a broad statement about humanity that's frankly at odds with what we've (thankfully) seen on many other occasions.

 

[tim0122]

Gene's lawyer, Leonard Maizlisch, slowly turned all of his friends against him before much of the first season even aired. Roddenberry was even forced by the WGA to ban Maizlisch from the lot after he'd been discovered rewriting scripts and tampering with DC Fontana's office.

Excuse me?! He did what to her office?!

 

[tim0122]

I remember reading that Gates McFadden was asked to audition with a scene from "The Naked Now," so she initially was under the impression that Beverly Crusher was more of a comedic role.

Imagine what "Sub Rosa" could have been if that had been true lol

Why in God's name would you ever give them scenes (or at least later scenes) from Naked Now to audition with?

"Hey, we want to see if you're right for this character. So, here are some scenes from an episode where the characters aren't acting normally."

They might as well have asked Spiner to audition with Lore scenes from Datalore.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

Why in God's name would you ever give them scenes (or at least later scenes) from Naked Now to audition with?

Probably has to do with Roddenberry's initial idea/proposal of Beverly Crusher having "the walk of a striptease queen" or something IIRC.

 

[tim0122]

Probably has to do with Roddenberry's initial idea/proposal of Beverly Crusher having "the walk of a striptease queen" or something IIRC.

*Picard Faceplam*