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TMP's Enterprise reveal...

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An oft discussed element of TMP is the protracted reveal of the refit Enterprise.

My sense is that a good portion of viewers old and new alike are not fond of this sequence during the film. They might feel it slows things down too much from getting on with events in a more brisk pace.

In the theatrical release of TMP as well as the subsequent longer version broadcast on television over the years issue was also taken with the protracted sequences of the Enterprise voyaging through Vger, again slowing down the film. The 2001 and 2022 DE versions of the film appear to have addressed the Vger flyover sequences so they don't feel as drawn out as before. But the Enterprise reveal seems to remain as it always has.

Some newer viewers might be forgiven for getting fidgety during the reveal because contemporary feature films have generally been more briskly paced than films made decades past. That and they often lack the context of the ship's reveal.

When TMP debuted in 1979 it had been ten years since TOS had ceased production. All we had was a decade of reruns so there was a fair bit of pent up expectation for Star Trek's first feature film. That in tandem with the fact that big budget vfx heavy features were popular during the 1970s, kicked of by the success of Star Wars in '77. Each new successive film was greeted with anticipation of, "What can they show us now?"

There was one final element at play. Star Trek had done something during its run that had an impact on its audience: it made us care, really care about the Enterprise. Kirk once proclaiming, "She's a beautiful lady and we love her." was taken to heart by many of us. Other shows and films had had cool sci-fi hardware and vehicles that excited fans of those respective productions, but I don't think they ever achieved the same measure of sentiment many of us had for the Enterprise. To us she wasn't just a very cool piece of sci-fi hardware--she was something of a character itself.

TMP's creators certainly picked up on that sentiment as evidenced by the way the newly refit Enterprise was revealed to us. This was genuine starship porn also reflected in how Kirk looks at his newly refit ship.

I don't think many people begrudged that protracted reveal when TMP first premiered given we were seeing the Enterprise as we had never seen her before. But it wouldn't be surprising for people to tire of the sequence after the novelty had worn off. And for younger viewers they simply have no context or reference point for why film makers would spend so much time to show off an admittedly nice looking ship--let's get on with it!


Speaking for myself I don't tire of the reveal, possibly because I revisit the film only periodically. I take it as part of the overall experience. But even so I know it's highly unlikely anyone today would do something similar in showing off a piece of sci-fi hardware. At best we might get a few protracted seconds of presentation and certainly not several minutes. They know contemporary audiences wouldn't sit for it.
 
It took many years to appreciate that scene. By the time I became a young Star Trek fan TOS era movies just came to an end, TNG was in its stride and there was news of a spin off on its way set on a space station.
As a younger fan I did think 'boy this a long scene' watching it on video tape. I do think these days we can marvel at it being in 4k and windscreen. My video tape was cropped to fit tv screens at the time as well.
I also had a good diet of Star Trek content. I've never been starved for content as much as the older fans had been. A decade without no new live action. The longest we had without any new trek was between Enterprise and Star Trek 2009 reboot movie.

I can only imagine how it must of felt. Seeing the Enterprise reveal on the silver screen must of been amazing. The Enterprise was a character in her own right. The Enterprise has never looks so good. Bet it felt like getting your faith rewarded seeing on the big screen. Especially after years of reruns on small t.v.'s in varying quality.
 
Tbh I love the slow, majestic scenes such as the Enterprise reveal and the ship’s journey through the V’Ger cloud. They’re almost meditative, and i find these sequences strangely immersive. I’m weird though.
 
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Was going through some old photographs and found these pre-digital photograph. It was from 1997 Star Trek The Exhibition Tour. I'm not sure if the enterprise was a filming model or just a replica.
Was going to post them in my TMP Appreciation thread but thought I'd share theme here.
 
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I was in DC for the opening, and I've been a fan since the second season was broadcast. I'm a huge tech fan, a fan of the Enterprise, and especially the refit. And I dislike those sequences.

Thing is, I'm also a writer. What drew me to TOS was not the ship; my interest in the Enterprise was a byproduct of interesting stories and compelling characters, informed, as you pointed out, by many of Kirk's comments reflecting his love of her. But if the characters and plots had not been so well realized I would not have cared, and there's a good chance I wouldn't have continued to watch.
 
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I like TMP a lot, moreso now than I did when I was younger. But I have always felt that there are two reveal shots that they whiffed, where they did not maximize the dramatic flair.

One is Kirk's introduction. His first shot should not be his face peeking through that little window. It should have been moments later when the door swooshes upwards. A more dramatic shot befitting our captain. Admiral. Whatever.

The second one is that (IMO) the first shot of the Enterprise should have been from the front, revealing her in all her glory at once. Showing her rear-end first is way too Michael Bay. ;)

So if I'd had my say back in the day, it would be to lose the first pass-by the Enterprise, but to keep everything else. And this change would have to be before Jerry Goldsmith worked his magic. I'd abide no cut to the sequence once his cue is cemented in place.
 
The little window was the television screen. The door swooshes upwards and cinematic Kirk enters the stage.

Robert Wise gave us a long, luxurious view of the Austrian hills before we saw the diminutive and dynamic Maria up close and personal.

Pretty much did the same thing with the Hindenburg.

I'm grateful for his style. :luvlove:
 
I can't count the number of times I've seen TMP over the years, but I never tire of that sequence. While I accepted the fact that a large majority of folks felt that it was too long and slowed the film's pacing, it's something that in the 45 years since it's release has become almost iconic.

And I'll enjoy it again when I watch my BD theatrical again on December 23 (for old time's sake). :)
 
The little window was the television screen. The door swooshes upwards and cinematic Kirk enters the stage.

Nice. Really, Kirk's intro was top notch.

Robert Wise gave us a long, luxurious view of the Austrian hills before we saw the diminutive and dynamic Maria up close and personal.

Pretty much did the same thing with the Hindenburg.

I'm grateful for his style.
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I always hear about how this was some love letter to the fans who had been pining for so many years for new Star Trek. (I mean, I was one of them.)

Nope. This was Robert Wise meets Doug Trumbull. This was Trumbull doing first person cinema, putting you into this world and letting you soak in it for a few minutes. And it was Robert Wise going for all the scale he could find AND while showing you exactly how huge the Enterprise is he is setting up when we see this massive starship as a pin prick next to Vejur. Now THAT'S big!

There were certainly a lot of Trekkies on the production. But Wise and Trumbull weren't exactly among them.

The second one is that (IMO) the first shot of the Enterprise should have been from the front, revealing her in all her glory at once.

You must HATE her intro in Wrath of Khan.
 
I enjoy the space pron scene. You guys are missing the point. The scene was so we could all take in the major improvements and small changes along with Kirk. Kirk's emotional impact and inner monologue about the changes (as written in the novel) are ours, and his acting and Wise's direction get most of us to that state.

He was like an Essex carrier captain in 1958 seeing his kinda obsolete straight deck carrier bristling with guns, 500 kt Panthers and 300 kt Skyraiders magically changed into an angled deck first line carrier that flew supersonic fighters like the F-8 Crusader. I'd be looking at all the changes as I rode around her in the plane guard helo too. Heck, I'd fly around her weekly just to admire her if I was him and also making note of where things need paint and repair.

It would look like the carrier from The Bridges At Toko-Ri had changed into this:
https://www.modelshipmaster.com/products/modern_navy/Oriskany-model.htm

All we'd seen since 1966 was the same 1701 on the small screen. This was her big, much anticipated reveal.

Besides, Scotty was driving, and he wanted to show off his hard work. Blame him for not going straight to the pod-dock like some want!

The transporters not working was a pretext to set up this scene. Appreciate it, as fictional beings (including Sonak) were fortunate to not have lived longer because of it!
 
Doesn't Enterprise look like a real spaceship? It's like they built a full-size mockup for the film! :luvlove:
Indeed..

It’s one of my gripes with modern trek. The cgi has become unrealistic. With models the look real because they are.
In the early days of cgi there was a good blend of model and cgi. First contact and generarations did a great job at this.
Even Ds9 voyager and enterprise still holds up ok with their use of cgi.

The ships also fly around now like crazy, I can’t remember any majestic shots in nu-trek that come to mind.
The ships are now maneuverable like x-wings from Star Wars..
 
The little window was the television screen. The door swooshes upwards and cinematic Kirk enters the stage.

Robert Wise gave us a long, luxurious view of the Austrian hills before we saw the diminutive and dynamic Maria up close and personal.

Pretty much did the same thing with the Hindenburg.

I'm grateful for his style. :luvlove:

And West Side Story.
 
I have to agree that although CGI tech has come a long ways, I'm still old-school in this regard. A well constructed spaceship model will come across as being more realistic than a digital model... At least in most cases.
 
I have to agree that although CGI tech has come a long ways, I'm still old-school in this regard. A well constructed spaceship model will come across as being more realistic than a digital model... At least in most cases.

Rogue One would like a word. And I just keep this one on speed dial:

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If the TMP: DE had had the budget of ST09 you would have thought they were using the original model.
 
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