News Foundation Adaptation Series Officially Ordered by Apple
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This doesn't fill me with a lot of confidence. In S2 the current writing team really felt like they'd hit their flow and I am still looking forward to S3, but inevitably a new writing/directing team will bring a change in style and it may not be for the better. You only have to look at some of ST: Discovery's early troubles to see what happens when you have a revolving door of showrunners with no clear vision.
I wonder what the internal politics of the whole situation are, just that Apple has decided to squeeze the budget and they can't make the show they want? Or maybe the execs not happy with the viewing figures and have imposed changes? I shudder to think.
That said, Goldberg has some really excellent stuff on his resume. So I guess we can cross our fingers, it's not like we'll be seeing S4 until about 2027 anyway.
I wonder what the internal politics of the whole situation are, just that Apple has decided to squeeze the budget and they can't make the show they want? Or maybe the execs not happy with the viewing figures and have imposed changes? I shudder to think.
That said, Goldberg has some really excellent stuff on his resume. So I guess we can cross our fingers, it's not like we'll be seeing S4 until about 2027 anyway.
Honestly as somebody that found the first to season to be somewhere between terrible and heresy, I can only say a new team can be an improvement.
But off my soap box...
If the show is renewed for a 4th Season and goes into "Foundation's Edge" it actually would be a good point for a new team. Asimov wrote that book a good 30 years after the original trilogy and the tone, length and manner of the book is completely different, so a new voice in charge isn't necessarily a bad thing and would be the perfect point for a natural turnover of BTS staff.
But off my soap box...
If the show is renewed for a 4th Season and goes into "Foundation's Edge" it actually would be a good point for a new team. Asimov wrote that book a good 30 years after the original trilogy and the tone, length and manner of the book is completely different, so a new voice in charge isn't necessarily a bad thing and would be the perfect point for a natural turnover of BTS staff.
Books 4 & 5 are basically one continuous adventure storyline, with the same core characters. You kinda would be doing a soft-reboot anyway if keeping to the books with no-need for any continuing characters but Demerzel (though easy enough to squeeze Hari in on a recurring basis similarly to how Quark was squeezed into a scene everytime a DS9 episode focused on the Command desk or didn't involve the Ferengi).
Foundation started as a string of intermittent periodicals in the pulp magazine Astounding Science fiction, but you knew that.
The older I get, especially given post-Asimov developments (The Second Foundation Trilogy, Psychohistorical Crisis), the more I view the Mule as the tragic anti-hero of the Foundation saga.
I think he's more of a cautionary tale about how you can never really account for chaos agents when trying to shape society.
Either they "actioned" up the story to get more viewers or they condensed all the action of the entire season into this trailer and the rest will be slower story.
Nothing unusual but if that's all there is and people expect some kind of action series and they get another season of political and social intrigue it might kill the show for good.
I liked it but then again i have read the books and am a fan of both the book and the show, so i would be watching anyway.
Nothing unusual but if that's all there is and people expect some kind of action series and they get another season of political and social intrigue it might kill the show for good.
I liked it but then again i have read the books and am a fan of both the book and the show, so i would be watching anyway.
If you wanted to you could read it that way. Asimov was bored and wanted to end the series so he created a guy who could blow it all up. Not really much deeper than that. Looking back I’m surprised he wrote anything after the Mules defeat.
I think there are a lot of messages floating through it. One I really picked up on in season two, is the dangers of stagnation.
Demerzel is trying to run the Empire like Cleon I would have, never really allowing for any growth, keeping the clones from ever really evolving.
I think he just didn't want to actually write The Foundation Civil War the end of The General was implying was going to happen and the Mule showing up avoided.
Never thought of it that way, but now that you put it that way, that might've been pretty interesting on it's own. I've always thought that there was a certain basic parallel to American history so that would've been pretty neat to read. I love the original trilogy to death, but have never liked that we never got to the Second Empire. We just got halfway and an ending that is essentially "and there were no more wars to fight and everything went swimmingly to the Second Empire". Don't get me started on the next ending with the whole Gaia thing. I just ignore everything but the original books.
It took thirty-odd years to make happen. Plenty of time to reconsider and change his mind.
And his entire approach to the series,
But money. And pressure. But mainly money. The publisher wanted new Foundation material and threw a lot of money at him iirc.
Can you be a little more specific? For instance, I loved the short story format of the original trilogy (yes, I know they were serialized) and would've preferred that that continue up until the Second Empire. Maybe find out that we're "over the shoulder" of someone in the Second Empire reading these historical events, not just getting brief snippets from the Encyclopedia to help us, the reader, along.
Was not as big a fan of the full length novel approach as, over time, I found them to be largely dull and not as engaging. I did enjoy Forward the Foundation as it utilized a return to the short story format, but was overall bummed that it was another Seldon prequel.
I really wished someone had talked him out of the Gaia ending because I don't think he had the skill to undo or work around it and I seem to remember that maybe he regretted that ending, though I may be mis-remembering that. I would've been okay if he had let someone else (or several writers) write a new trilogy that got us to the Second Empire. I did not care for "The Second Foundation Trilogy" because I hoped it would either do that, or be the same events of the original trilogy from the Second Foundation's point of view.
But nope. More goddamn Seldon prequels!
For about the last quarter century, I only read the original trilogy when I re-read the series. It's always been one of my favorite series but I just can't read the novels and I didn't care for the integration of Daneel and robots into the series either.
