Tell me you've never watched TOS, without telling me you've never watched TOS.
William Shatner Confirms Talks for Star Trek Return at 93 Years Old
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I was debating whether to bring that up or not, but didn't recall the details nearly as well as you did, @Donald G.
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Incorrect I have seen every episode. Perhaps it's a result of a generational divide.Tell me you've never watched TOS, without telling me you've never watched TOS.
He only saved one Enterprise in Generations. No, the D getting restored thirty years later doesn't count.
No but without Kirk helping Picard they couldnt have stopped Soren and the missile which got the Enterprise-D destroyed in the shockwave.
I think you mean got Veridian III destroyed, and therefore the crew killed. The missile had no part in the Enterprise D's destruction.
Missile hits star.
Star goes boom.
Shockwave destroys Enterprise.
Ergo
Missile caused shockwave that destroyed Enterprise.
The Enterprise was already destroyed when the missile was fired, as the secondary hull had already exploded from its warp core breach and the saucer had already crashed and was just a wreckage on the Veridian surface. Kirk didn't prevent that by dying.
Semantics. The crew was pretty much all alive in a large portion of the ship.
But fine if you wish it, Kirk died saving the crews of 2 Enterprises in Generations. Now don't go telling me the B doesn't count because half it's crew weren't arriving until Tuesday.
Viewers of any generation can see that Kirk is highly intelligent and a capable disciplined military commander. He takes calculated risks but isn’t a shoot from the hip type. He also values input from other sources (TOS invented the let’s talk about this round robin) but knows the ultimate decision lies with him.
He’s also no James Bond Lothario, bedding every woman he sees.
Smart enough to beat Spock at Chess and one of three that could reprogram the Enterprise computer.
TOS Kirk is one of the better characters in the history of TV.
Let's see, over a 3-year period there was Miramanee, Deela and Drusilla. That's three times.* Carol, Ruth, Janet Lester, Janet Wallace and Areel Shaw were all old flames, but none of them were presented as one night stands. There was a lot of kissy-face, but that's as far as most of his interactions went during the time of the original series.
*An argument can and has been made for Edith Keeler given Kirk's feelings for her, but there's nothing presented in the episode to indicate they ever went that far.
Well it was 1930. No doubt some kissy face in the balcony, if they made it to the show,
Spock will try to concentrate on the picture.
I now have an image of Shatner shirtless, singing football songs and swigging Newcastle Brown Ale. Howay the lads!
The Kirk of Pop Culture is a victim of "when the legend becomes fact, print the legend." He's been built up as a womanizer, even though the show plainly shows he's anything but that.
William T. Riker, on the other hand, is a walking libido.
Kirk's reputation as a womanizer may in fact be a result of the "generational divide" if you will. He was the leading man on a 1960s show, it was expected that he'd be scoring more tail than the other men on the show, and in comparison to other leading men in the 60s, Kirk doesn't exactly have an impressive amount of notches on his belt. I suspect the idea that the idea that he's banging anything with a pulse and a vagina comes from people who visit TOS after watching the other Treks, where Kirk is certainly more of a swinger compared to the Berman era Captains. Likewise, television in general from the 90s onwards don't expect their male leads to score as much tail as they did in the 60s, so someone like a millennial watching TOS without the context of the time might well think of Kirk as being more of a player than he actually is.
Kirk's bad boy reputation comes as a result of the movies, where he not only is seen openly rebelling against Starfleet, we find out in his youth he rigged the supposedly unbeatable test so he could win. The Kirk of TV TOS however was very serious and very dedicated to following the rules. Granted, he might not have hesitated to ignore a rule if doing so would have served the greater good, he still wasn't the kind of guy who openly defied authority at any and every turn that pop culture would make you think he was.
Kirk's bad boy reputation comes as a result of the movies, where he not only is seen openly rebelling against Starfleet, we find out in his youth he rigged the supposedly unbeatable test so he could win. The Kirk of TV TOS however was very serious and very dedicated to following the rules. Granted, he might not have hesitated to ignore a rule if doing so would have served the greater good, he still wasn't the kind of guy who openly defied authority at any and every turn that pop culture would make you think he was.
