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Spoilers Captain America: Brave New World grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Captain America: Brave New World?


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Ehh it was okay. Better than the likes of The Dark World or Quantumania but far from the MCU's best. The ending kinda dragged everything down for me, felt like the movie fizzled out after the battle at the celestial island.

The action was also mostly okay, felt a little weightless at the start but when Sidewinder ambushed Sam it was pretty great. The CGI also seemed mostly alright in this one though, only thing I really noticed was from real bad looking stuff when Sam is trying to talk Ross down at the very end.
 
Carl is Da Bomb.
and the M.A.N.T.I.S. :techman: Bias that I may have for him for being in BSG as well, I can safely say he was one of my favorite parts/characters of the movie. Wasn't he voice of Martian Manhunter too in the Justice League cartoons way back when?

Adamantium was never a macguffin in this movie. It was just the impetus for the international treaty Ross was trying to pull together as his legacy to change the world for the better.

Which he successfully did, in the end, once he stopped trying to justify his past and just owned up to his shit.

I'd argue the Adamantium was more a macguffin for the plot than central to the story of the film. We didn't really see anything interesting, or impactful story-wise relating to this newly-discovered-indestructible-metal-that-maybe-has -military-applications-if-we-can-figure-out-a-way-to-coat-someone's-skeleton-with-it-and-give-them-extendable-claws. We were shown a few exposition scenes with dialogue to tell us adamantium exists, and it is important. You can say Adamantium was impetus for development of an international treaty in the film, yes, but that does not mean it was central to the story of Captain America, Thunderbolt Ross, Red Hulk, or any character in the movie, really. I would also clarify that Ross' motivation was two-fold: his personal desire to rebuild his fractured relationship with his daughter as he faced down his own mortality, and protecting the image of his presidential legacy to help with the former.

It's theft in the beginning leads to a situation that gets all of our characters off to the White House for a meet and greet and Ross' attempted assassination. This drives Sam Wilson to look into things and creates the diplomatic tension the plot needs between Ross and Japan to keep things going, but we don't see anything important being done with adamantium. It's presence in the film doesn't really add much to enrich the story or the MCU at large, other than culminating as the driving force behind an orchestrated international crisis that ends up being narrowly avoided.

At the end of the movie, Ross' legacy is questionable, international relations are status quo, we have our treaty, and Adamantium is... still just there. I am not saying that they needed to give us Wolverine or the Weapon X program to justify using adamantium, but I do think that it was primarily used 1) as a general reference to get a like or two from comic book fans who would be excited at the name drop, and (2) a macguffin to drive the plot until we get to our big twist with the Leader, the gamma pills, and Ross/Red Hulk. Then we wrap things up with our big showdown with Red Hulk and Captain America, topping it off with the opportunity for Ross' redemption. Fin.

The previous theft/discovery/existence of adamantium hasn't added anything to enrich the movie's story, the characters, or the MCU, nor were there any real consequences other than affirming that adamantium is now officially MCU canon.
 
Lookd like the movie will break even. Better than losing money but they need to start making money or disney will continue to slowly shrink the budgets.
 
Adamantium is there to seed the future. To let those who are less in the know, that it's a thing. An important thing. Like Super-soldier formulas, Infinity Stones and vibranium.
Yup, just like the infinity stones were leading up to Infinity war, and Black Widow/Bick Fury/S.H.I.E.L.D. before the first Avengers. It's world-building, but they way they utilized adamantium in Captain America, what we saw was essentially world-building at a rate of a brick per film.
I will say it was an interesting choice by the filmmakers to plant a seed of the X-Men, without any X-Men, in a Captain America sequel that served as sequels to the Incredible Hulk and Eternals, without the Incredible Hulk or any of the Eternals. I think if they gave that seed a little more water and soil so that we could watch it grow and flourish a bit in this movie, it could have enhanced the film overall.

Plus, Pym Particles!!!
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Lookd like the movie will break even. Better than losing money but they need to start making money or disney will continue to slowly shrink the budgets.
Yeah, like they did on this film with the reshoots...oh, wait.

The only real financial disaster they've had recently was The Marvels, and Disney management has already gotten Kevin Feige to scale back and retool both the D+ and MCU film slate, so with this film meeting and slightly beating their BO projections, they're probably not panicked.

The big MCU box office test the suits will be eyeing is Fantastic Four: First Steps in July.
^^^
If that bombs, then they'll probably really start scalling back big time.
 
Yup, just like the infinity stones were leading up to Infinity war, and Black Widow/Bick Fury/S.H.I.E.L.D. before the first Avengers. It's world-building, but they way they utilized adamantium in Captain America, what we saw was essentially world-building at a rate of a brick per film.
I will say it was an interesting choice by the filmmakers to plant a seed of the X-Men, without any X-Men, in a Captain America sequel that served as sequels to the Incredible Hulk and Eternals, without the Incredible Hulk or any of the Eternals. I think if they gave that seed a little more water and soil so that we could watch it grow and flourish a bit in this movie, it could have enhanced the film overall.


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It's not much, but that blade Copperhead used to slash Sam's armor was apparently supposed to be a refined Adamantium blade. This would be why Sam was wondering how he got cut, and would show us that a true counter to Vibranium now existed and could neutralize its effectiveness. So this has major implications for future Black Panther stories.
 
How do you figure that?
It has the best Odin. Frigga gets something (briefly) to do. It has the best Loki and Thor being super annoying siblings. (Ragnorok is a close second which is why I don't dismiss it entirely.) Asgard actually looks like a place. It manages to be a serious movie while still being hilarious. It certainly has the best Loki death, even including Infinity War. It builds on the relationships in the original Thor.

This was the movie where I started to get why everybody was losing their minds over Tom Hiddleston.

The bad guy is TERRIBLE. Like Ant-Man terrible. It's heartbreaking to see Christopher Eccleston so totally wasted. But "good movie, stupid bad guy" was the MCU's go to move back then.

I have no idea what was going on at the end of the movie. But I have no idea what is going on at the end of Tomorrow is Yesterday either and I love that one too.

"Mew mew!" 12 years later still makes me laugh.
 
Yeah, like they did on this film with the reshoots...oh, wait.

The only real financial disaster they've had recently was The Marvels, and Disney management has already gotten Kevin Feige to scale back and retool both the D+ and MCU film slate, so with this film meeting and slightly beating their BO projections, they're probably not panicked.

The big MCU box office test the suits will be eyeing is Fantastic Four: First Steps in July.
^^^
If that bombs, then they'll probably really start scalling back big time.

Well like i said it should break even possibly make a profit. It still needs to rake in another 160 mil to do that. The fantastic four is a alternate universe and placed in the 1960s. It has no links as far as we know to the main marvel universe. So it should do well without all the baggage of the earlier movies. Plus it looks like they got galactus right so I think it will be a hit.
 
The fantastic four is a alternate universe and placed in the 1960s. It has no links as far as we know to the main marvel universe. So it should do well without all the baggage of the earlier movies.
So does FF end with them in the MCU (Hello, Captain America!), put them in the MCU in the post-credits, or leave that for Secret Wars? Bonus Question: Does DoomStark appear in the post-credits?
 
There's just too much. The Fantastic Four movie looks good, but I just have no excitement for the new Avengers movies. I wouldn't be surprised if they get delayed.
 
All this talk of "no buildup" to the new Avengers films...I don't recall much build up to Age of Ultron back in Phase 2. None of the individual movies really did any big setup for it
 
So does FF end with them in the MCU (Hello, Captain America!), put them in the MCU in the post-credits, or leave that for Secret Wars? Bonus Question: Does DoomStark appear in the post-credits?

They could end the movie with the imminent destruction of that world and the F4 unable to do anything but help as many people as possible through a portal. It would be a dramatic kick-off to the final muliversal crisis and would allow Doomsday to hit the ground running.

But I just don't believe they'll want this movie to go that dark. My bet is on a post credits scene of Doom setting things in motion and then Doomsday opens with the F4, already embattled by Doom, making their first contact with the Avengers.
 
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