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Spoilers Captain America: Brave New World grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Captain America: Brave New World?


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Did anyone feel uncomfortable while watching that movie? So many things that the writers put in this movie is happening now:
president with a temper tantrum covets riches from another place, nearly goes to war with a long time aly after an assassination attempt and the shooter is set free because he was wrongly accused. Oh, and two helicopters crash because of the president.

I swear if later this year the Washington monument and/or the white House is destroyed, luigi mangione is declared not guilty and Trump will end up abdicating his presidency to end up in prison I'm going to lose my shit
 


 
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I thought it was good but not great. There won't be any iconic scenes that I'll replay over and over like in the other Captain America movies though(Maybe the Red Hulk scene though). Nothing besides that really stood out compared to scenes like these

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If you wanted to bring someone who's not really into Marvel movies into this(I.E a significant other) they'd probably be confused by all the references and requirement to view past movies to understand what's going on

-Why there's a giant Celestial body
-Who's he?
-What did he do?
-Why does he know him?
-Why is he that way?
-Where did he come from?
 
One of the RT reviews literally says this:

"It not only turns its hero into a Magical Negro. In an effort to soothe white America’s anger and hurt, it also asks its hero to grin and figuratively tap dance off screen."

Yeesh, THIS is from a Professional Critic? He's mad they didn't lean into the racial stuff deeper?
Hoping to see this Monday... but this was from the makers of the Disney plus series, which did indeed go deep on racial issues. So it COULD be a let down from that. Definitely need to read @TREK_GOD_1 's review and watch it myseĺf to properly put it in perspective.
 
That's interesting about the review, Morpheus 02. I thought the Cap and Bucky series was excellent and still one of my favorite D+ series. That said, I don't want this movie to be the same thing. In many ways, a Captain America who is also Black is a huge statement on its own. I would be happy with a decent movie that I would want to re-watch. I haven't wanted to re-watch any Marvel film since Infinity War.
 
It was a solid B. Started a bit slow, even with the action pieces but picked up. Good performances all around. Script could have been a little tighter. Nice action pieces with the aerial stunts. Rulk CGI was very good, amazing how far they've come since Incredible Hulk.

I noticed two comics name grabs: Leila Taylor and Dennis Dunphy. Both far removed from their comics versions. There, Leila is a civil rights activist originally tied to the Black Power movement and Sam's girlfriend. Dunphy is pro wrestler turned hero under the name of D-Man or Demolition Man.
 
100% agree. I’m not sure why they made that decision, but it would have been better left as a surprise.

Anyway, we thought it was pretty good.

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I guess they thought Anthony Mackie and Harrison Ford wasn't enough hype for the trailers; and for all we knew (Sans Red Hulk in the trailer) Harrison Ford's part could have been a cameo on the level that Liv Tyler's was.

Bottom line: They wanted the real Marvel Comics nerds to know there was another major character to see in this film.
 
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‘CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD’ opens with $192.4M worldwide.It is the third highest opening for a Captain America movie
 
Because Harrison Ford is a much bigger star than Anthony Mackie. It's not unlike how some of the Flash trailers made that movie look like "Michael Keaton's Batman 3."
Apples and Oranges. Harrison Ford had enough screen time as President Ross to show everyone that he was in the movie without ruining the surprise of Red Hulk. It would have been far better because then him turning Red Hulk would have been a nice surprise and made the movie more memorable. But Hollywood seems to have lost the art of anticipation and surprise. It's why I tend to avoid trailers.
 
Apples and Oranges. Harrison Ford had enough screen time as President Ross to show everyone that he was in the movie without ruining the surprise of Red Hulk. It would have been far better because then him turning Red Hulk would have been a nice surprise and made the movie more memorable. But Hollywood seems to have lost the art of anticipation and surprise. It's why I tend to avoid trailers.

Wouldn't have mattered, the way YouTubers are realizing that the MCU is a great source of getting them subs they'd have put up videos ASAP. So Disney decided to beat them to the punch.

And besides, how long was Hannibal Lector in "Silence of the Lambs", like 10 minutes?
 
The movie is...fine. Just about fine. The general "it's not terrible, at least!" response is true, yes, but only because it plays everything so incredily safe that it couldn't possibly have been terrible. There are no risks taken at all, no attempt to really say anything. Everything is explcitily spelled out for the audience. Exposition is given then sometimes reiterated by other characters just to make completely sure the audience can follow the (not that complex) plot. "Giancarlo Esposito, more like Giancarlo EXPOSITION!" is a hilarious joke I thought of at one point, but I resisted the urge to shout it out in the cinema like I was George Costanza.

What I found most shockingly weak is how they gave Sam's character so little of a character arc: up until the scene with Bucky I was thinking they'd forgotten to give him really any character work at all. Anthony Mackie does fine with what he's given, but how could he do any better when there's nothing for him to sink his teeth into? For all the "WOKE DISASTER!" shit videos from assholes that are no doubt popping up, it's shocking how little his race is even a factor. There's maybe a few lines where if you squint you can kind of see him alluding to being a black Captian America? But Falcon And Winter Solider was actually much braver in that regard and I didn't think that was a very good tv show at all! I'm not saying him being black had to be constantly referenced or anything but they could have at least done something with it and him being a role model for people like him (which is the part that's briefly touched on.) It would have given Mackie somethimng more to play than the weak "I have to be good like Steve!" stuff he ended up with. Harrison Ford does good grumpy and angry acting, I guess, but again he has nothing to play but those two emotions and perfunctory "I miss my daughter" stuff. I did like his Hulking-out acting and the one bit of news footage where he had a moustache. Danny Ramirez is pretty good as the most generic, predictable sidekick character you could imagine. I liked Tim Blake Nelson as Sterns (and his broccoli head) but he's not in the movie enough and again doesn't get anything really meaty. Carl Lumby actually impressed me the most in acting terms.

There's some decent, or at least watchable action bits, and some weak stuff like Ruth's big fight scene. There's stuff that should have been better and made a lot more of an impact: there's a bit where Sam is riding on a missile trying to stop it which struck me as something that should have been a much bigger deal, but it goes by so fast you forget it right away. Red Hulk did look really good though, so I give the VFX artists credit there. The fight he has with Sam is the most fun part of the movie so at least it finishes with a bit more excitement than most of its runtime.

I wonder how much Liv Tyler got paid for six lines of dialogue (half of which she's off-screen.)

Winter Soldier, the movie this is obviously trying most to be like, was a very good comic book movie, still easily in the top five of the MCU for me. But it was also eleven years ago. They should be regularly makig better movies than it by now. There's really no excuse for making something like this which is inferior in pretty much all aspects of production.
 
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