Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

[Daedalus]

Yeah, there's no visible numbers.

Unless you wanna tell me the Defiant class is the size of an Akira. Though at least it shows a more appropriately sized Excelsior.

But who is flying the giant commbadges??

Nothing in canon really matters. If they want to change it, they'll change it. Which is why I don't understand the importance of it.

Well quite. Call a spade a spade, it's a retcon accompanied by a visual reboot. Give it 10-15 years and it'll likely happen again.

I just dislike like this idea that "Evidence A" overrides "Evidence B". It's all relevant or it's all irrelevant. What is acceptable visual canon seems to be VERY subjective and it weirds me out. Like, who wrote these rules???

 

[fireproof78]

I never knew the size of the ship mattered so much.

Certainly didn't matter to the story, until it was shrunk down and Kirk had the whole Enterprise in his hands.

 

[HotRod]

What the heck is that ship at the bottom? Was this an actual screen-used display?

Yes, this was a screen uses display. And I'm not sure what the hell that is. At first glance I thought it was this thing from the DS9TM.

But upon closer inspection, it's clearly not.

Has a new ship just been discovered?

 

[fireproof78]

What is acceptable visual canon seems to be VERY subjective and it weirds me out. Like, who wrote these rules???

No one.

Art is subjective. I honestly had no idea the TOS Enterprise had an official length yet would get hounded for it for not knowing. Like, I enjoy trivia but not at the expense of the characters.

But, those who have a better mind for measurements than I insist it must be one size or another. Which seems to be missing the Galaxy for the stars in my opinion.

But, it's art and art is subjective.

 

[JD]

Worse is how her ankle got stuck and was fine

That happens almost every time someone is out of phase with everything else around them, so it's not an issue that's unique to Section31.

 

[Citiprime]

There's also the example of the Defiant.

In its introduction in "The Search," the MSD shown during the ward room scene does not match the production model at all and was based on an alternative concept for the ship.

Also, to this day, there's no real hard and firm agreement upon the size for the Defiant because of the scaling issues when it's shown in comparison to other ships and Deep Space Nine. Depending on whether you use the size of the other ships the Defiant is shown in comparison to as canon, the Defiant varies in size from 50 meters long to around 200 meters long.

 

[HotRod]

Nevermind on the idea of discovering a new ship. I just checked and the image I pulled up has been modified from what was shown on screen. This is what was shown in the episode.

 

[Scout101]

It… wasn’t good. Not that I had any real interest in S31, and it wasn’t begging to be made, but certainly don’t have any interest in watching it again. Nothing interesting or compelling, and never got the excitement about the Empress anyway (good actress aside). One of those things that’s supposed to be cool because they tell us she is. Meh.

 

[cooleddie74]

The DS9 Defiant is way too small in FC compared to the Enterprise-E. That bugs you once you learn the former's proper scale.

 

[Daedalus]

No one.

Art is subjective. I honestly had no idea the TOS Enterprise had an official length yet would get hounded for it for not knowing. Like, I enjoy trivia but not at the expense of the characters.

You must've hung around with a rough group of fans!

.But, those who have a better mind for measurements than I insist it must be one size or another. Which seems to be missing the Galaxy for the stars in my opinion.

But, it's art and art is subjective.

I just find the idea of a uniform measurement preposterous. Matt Jefferies drew it at so-and-so feet, John Eaves drew another at so-and-so metres, and then we end up with "one size fits all?" Doesn't work, especially if you change the exterior.

Not worth touching the interior, that's never made sense.

 

[HotRod]

Also, to this day, there's no real hard and firm agreement upon the size for the Defiant

Same can be said for the Excelsior. Her surface detailing points to a significantly larger ship than the sizes we've been given.

 

[Dukhat]

Yes, this was a screen uses display. And I'm not sure what the hell that is. At first glance I thought it was this thing from the DS9TM.

But upon closer inspection, it's clearly not.

Has a new ship just been discovered?

Doubtful. I think someone just messed up the art on that chart. The Akira’s weapons pod is gone and the Miranda’s weapons pod has mysteriously shrunk.

 

[fireproof78]

You must've hung around with a rough group of fans

They were a technically minded bunch and loved their trivia

just find the idea of a uniform measurement preposterous. Matt Jefferies drew it at so-and-so feet, John Eaves drew another at so-and-so metres, and then we end up with "one size fits all?" Doesn't work, especially if you change the exterior.

Not worth touching the interior, that's never made sense.

It's why I didn't know it mattered at all or that there was a commonly held number. To me, it's irrelevant to the story.

 

[HotRod]

To me, it's irrelevant to the story.

It is, but some fans, myself included, do enjoy both the story AND the technical sides of the franchise. I've always been a fan of the ships.

 

[fireproof78]

It is, but some fans, myself included, do enjoy both the story AND the technical sides of the franchise. I've always been a fan of the ships.

I'm not saying it isn't interesting but if I'm going, "I didn't enjoy this episode because the scale is off" is tough for me.

I love fan art, Iove tech manuals and exploring that but mine is almost outside the context of an episode.

 

[Daedalus]

Always been a fan of the ships myself, but with the advent of retro-active visual reboots, you cant really go round lining ships up like you used to.

Comparing a Walker class to a Miranda class is like comparing artwork from an Impressionist to artwork from a Cubist. Two different styles, from two different visual continuities.

I wish it wasn't that way, but that's what we were sold.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Section 31 wasn't there in name, but Starfleet sure does need covert ops don't they? They are probably there in the shadows eh?

I think Section 31 isn't the type of "Covert Ops" that you think of with CIA & MI6.

They're more Expendables / Suicide Squad / SD-6 from Alias.

They're (Outside Factors / Players) who don't play by the rules, who aren't bound by Legal/Moral ethics of the UFP / StarFleet / traditional Protagonists.

If a Section 31 mission fails, nobody will know, nobody will bat an eye, there is no blow-back on UFP / StarFleet.

But if they succeed, great.

 

[Citiprime]

The position I've come to when I watch Strange New Worlds is there's much more that I like about it than annoys me. I really like the cast, think they're great and arguably have the best chemistry of any of the live-action offerings in recent memory.

I judge the show on its own terms of what it's trying to do with each story, but I do not see it as part of a grand cohesive narrative that connects to TOS. I enjoy the episodes for the episodic Star Trek it represents, think some of the stories have been done really well as episodes of Trek, but I accept it as a version of Star Trek doing its own thing. I'm fine with that and if they have something interesting to say, go with it.

But I do not think of it as the Enterprise that will one day become the ship commanded by William Shatner's Kirk. And I don't think that's necessary to have fun with the show. I can accept TOS for what it is, SNW for its attempting to do, and like both without the connection.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Recent Star Trek has been hinting that it all happened, TOS, Disco and SNW, exactly as it appeared, with no visual reboot. Picard makes it clear that the SNW and TOS Constitution designs both existed, Lower Decks shows that all the uniforms existed, even Section 31 has a classic TOS phaser. Really all SNW has to do now is end with the possibility that the ship could get a refit before TOS and it can connect up.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Why? I don't think we have the actual specs on it. Maybe a ship guy like @HotRod knows.

I never understood this subset of fandom that insisted that the TOS Enterprise is supposed to be small.