No, it's not.
Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion
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There had to be a better way to utilize Georgiou and Michelle Yeoh. They needed to do a Page One Re-Write. Having TV Movies for Star Trek is a sound idea if they can't do movies on the Big Screen since mid-budget movies are a thing of the past. They needed to do take the approach that was taken with TWOK. Not the story, but a good low-budget movie.
There are people who are against the concept of both Section 31 and Georgiou. I'm obviously not one of those people. I'm for the concept, but the problem was the execution.
They had some very sloppy mistakes in there. The age of San (is that his name?), Georgiou's antagonist. 70 years and he looks exactly the same. Either they cut out the explanation or they didn't bother to write it at all. Both are bad. They had characters rambling. That could've been cut to have things that could actually move the plot along.
I don't think it was a problem to have "This ain't your nerd's fucking Star Trek!" That's fine. I get that. But you still need to have good writing and you still need to avoid sloppy mistakes.
There are people who are against the concept of both Section 31 and Georgiou. I'm obviously not one of those people. I'm for the concept, but the problem was the execution.
They had some very sloppy mistakes in there. The age of San (is that his name?), Georgiou's antagonist. 70 years and he looks exactly the same. Either they cut out the explanation or they didn't bother to write it at all. Both are bad. They had characters rambling. That could've been cut to have things that could actually move the plot along.
I don't think it was a problem to have "This ain't your nerd's fucking Star Trek!" That's fine. I get that. But you still need to have good writing and you still need to avoid sloppy mistakes.
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yeah, the concept of made for streaming movies is good, and i hope to see more.
Problem was the execution
Problem was the execution
This movie was clearly adapted from a series. It had points in it that would have been episode reveals and episode centerpieces. It was just chaotic and the overall story was kind of lame.
The nano dude was pretty bad. How the fuck would an advanced lifeform have a complex organic brain that small? There is no physics to support something like that.
The nano dude was pretty bad. How the fuck would an advanced lifeform have a complex organic brain that small? There is no physics to support something like that.
Olatunde Osunsanmi said in an interview that, in its original iteration, the Section 31 show had six episodes.
Someone is lying.
BTW, the Section 31 show/movie went through seven iterations.
There's no physics to support replicators, subspace, and transporters, either ... yet here we are.
Or they misspoke. Or are simply mistaken. Or were misquoted.
But why assume something innocuous when it’s more fun to insinuate it must have been something nefarious, eh?
One of the biggest problems with the movie as a movie is it doesn’t really want to go with its concept. They worked on this thing for YEARS, and it’s fascinating to me whenever people take story elements and then don’t want to use them the way they’re intended to exist. And end up making them worse.
You have Section 31 (an organization that rationalizes doing bad things for good reasons) and a character whom the last time we saw her (DSC’s “Terra Firma”) had realized she wasn’t the same person she was as emperor of the Terran Empire. She was a character given another chance by the Guardian of Forever after her adventure in a doorway.
The most interesting thing you could do with that is set up a situation where Georgiou is NOT running a seedy bar eating eyeballs, but trying to be a different person and maybe trying to do good and charity when we first see her again. And then have the story take off when she’s tempted by Section 31, who convince her that she’ll be helping people. But, in order to do that, she’s effectively breaking the law and committing war crimes.
If they had created ethical dilemmas, where Georgiou is asked to do bad things for the greater good and made it a “road to hell is paved with good intentions” story, to me that would have been more interesting and had a better shot at working. Instead of it being a “redemption arc” (which I don’t think they achieve at all with the final product) where her and the team run around like any Starfleet crew, make it a tragedy where she’s asked more and more to become her old self. Make it a story where a person is trying to be better, she’s trying to believe in the Federation’s values, and have Section 31 destroy that belief by using her for the purpose of “protecting” those values, but in the worst imaginable way possible.
The movie doesn’t want to make Section 31 or Georgiou into bad guys, which is crazy given that we’re talking about two parts of Trek canon that have already been confirmed to be guilty of mass murder. They want them to end up happy, drinking booze, and giggling around a table at the end. And I think it’s just totally wrong for the material.
A Section 31 movie (or TV series) should leave you uncomfortable. It should leave you wondering whether their choices were “good” or “right” if it means people die for the greater good, or if it’s better for people to die and suffer if it means standing up for the values they believe in.
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This isn’t TNZ. So cut out the personal attacks and insults.
Right. She doesn't have to be a cardboard cutout but they could at least have stories that don't undermine previous stories.
I just gave an opinion. You dont have to insult me.
I always wondered why the admiral said that. I figured at the time that maybe he figured a 50 year old and a 35 year old were close in age if at the time humans had increased life expectancy to 100 plus. Other than that the only other explanation is the admiral has no sense of age. Lol
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I gotta say, if I wrote the Section 31 movie, I'd lie and say it was my first draft.
Watched this last night. It's not very good is it! You can tell it was meant to be a series but I wonder if even then it could have worked given tonally it's all over the shop!
Yeoh was awesome of course and while it might have annoyed me I wasn't bored by it, and weirdly when I go to the end I decided I wouldn't be completely opposed to seeing this group of characters again (obviously in something way better realised!)
Yeoh was awesome of course and while it might have annoyed me I wasn't bored by it, and weirdly when I go to the end I decided I wouldn't be completely opposed to seeing this group of characters again (obviously in something way better realised!)
A series seems fairly likely at this point, and I'm sure they'll be happy to expand the character stories. Sec31 is a victim of its success a lot of people want to see more of the characters.
I think the execution was exactly what the producers and studios wanted: a Trek that non-fans can have an entry level into. I think it worked pretty well. There's just enough established for trekkies to put it in that universe but for anyone to watch.
It's taken me awhile to come to this conclusion, but I think I agree with you. Straight-to-steaming films might not be glamorous, but I think they can allow writers to explore single concepts set in the Star Trek universe without being tied into an 8 to 10 episode television season. I'm of the opinion that the Discovery anthology idea that reportedly was scrapped would've been a good one, and a sort of "Long Short Treks" could be a really interesting paradigm.
That being said, I think this might be the last streaming Star Trek film we see for a long while. Reception to the film aside, I don't think there's any word of mouth about this at all, only the diehard Trek fans have even heard about it.
Unfortunately, its writing quality was on par with a lot of other straight-to-streaming dreck…
Olatunde Osunsanmi said in an interview that, in its original iteration, the Section 31 show had six episodes.
Someone is lying.
BTW, the Section 31 show/movie went through seven iterations.
A big part of the problem was sticking with people who had been through the multiple iterations. Some point, another writer should have been brought in with a clean slate and rebuilt it from the ground up.
First there would to be actual stories to undermine. She has maybe one and a quarter stories where her presence means something.
Please stop saying things you know aren’t true.
