Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

[Noname Given]

Not rose colored glasses. Sure there were errors here or there or things changed like no woman in Starfleet. But the Kurtzman era has gone out of their way to INTENTIONALLY change well know story points. Spock had a wife and Chapel didn't know T'pring for example. That is a HUGE change and people can skirt it all they want to. Fun house sized the online interiors, Kirk knowing Pike, A khan descendant arriving with Spock. The list goes on....

Um, where do yo get the idea that Chapel didn't know T'Pring?

She and Spock never say anything to the contrary and it's Uhura who says: "She's lovely Mr. Spock. Who is she?" in TOS S2 Amok Time (and to date in SNW Uhura has been off the ship or just not around when T'Pring has shown up. They have never met/interacted in SNW.)

Guess you don't know TOS all that well, do you? (Me, I saw the 3rd season first run on NBC as a child in 1969, fell in love with it and have been watching ever since.)

 

[TRON JA307020]

Um, where do yo get the idea that Chapel didn't know T'Pring?

She and Spock never say anything to the contrary and it's Uhura who says: "She's lovely Mr. Spock. Who is she?" in TOS S2 Amok Time (and to date in SNW Uhura has been off the ship or just not around when T'Pring has shown up. They have never met/interacted in SNW.)

Guess you don't know TOS all that well, do you? (Me, I saw the 3rd season first run on NBC as a child in 1969, fell in love with it and have been watching ever since.)

Chapel clearly knows about Tpring in snw. In TOS she acts totally surprised that spock is married and clearly doesnt know who tpring is from her reaction.

 

[Noname Given]

Chapel clearly knows about Tpring in snw. In TOS she acts totally surprised that spock is married and clearly doesnt know who tpring is from her reaction.

Chapel acts surprised in Amok Time? When? When she walks on the Bridge as they are speaking with Vulcan Central, she says "What's going on?" and is quicly Shssed by McCoy. She didn't appear shocked or surprised before or after T'Pring appeared on the screen or Spock said, "She is T'Pring. My Wife."

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Maybe, Star Trek Rebels?

But who are they rebelling against?

The UFP is a Democratic Republic.

 

[UssGlenn]

Kirk knowing Pike,

Kirk is on a first name basis with Pike in The Menagerie. Calls him Chris.

 

[Trekker4747]

Well, we have Angry Joe's thoughts in.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Kirk is on a first name basis with Pike in The Menagerie. Calls him Chris.

Yeah, Kirk clearly knows Pike.

 

[HotRod]

Kirk is on a first name basis with Pike in The Menagerie. Calls him Chris.

Yeah, Kirk clearly knows Pike.

Shhhhh! This doesn't support the narrative that Kurtzman and his writers hate Star Trek and want to systematically destroy the continuity piece by piece.

 

[cooleddie74]

If anything young Kirk congratulating Pike for his promotion to Fleet Captain fits in with everything we saw in "The Menagerie, Part I(TOS)."

 

[jackoverfull]

Ok, this was REALLY bad.

Positive: we’ll, not much. Kinda interesting parts set in the mirror universe, but far underdeveloped. Some action scenes had nice choreography (but most were overlong).

Negative: confusing yet predictable plot. Awful direction as expected by the only director I even noticed for the constant absurd camera movements (upside down rotating camera? Really?!). Characters with no clear motivations that mouth together absurdity complex plans for no reason. Technology that works in absurd ways (sure that it’s a good idea to blow up an inter dimensional rift with a galaxy destroying bomb? It was real lucky it didn’t, you know, destroy the galaxy instead!). Yet ANOTHER galaxy-level weapon on the loose (that activates itself when being dropped on the ground. But wait, it needs biometric verification before going off…by the person whose death was t supposedly the only reason for it going off?!). Awful ships design (apart from the space station/ship, which was very nice) that anyway can be barely seen. Disposable stock characters that could be anybody (note the emphasis on RACHEL GARRET, similar to the infamous “my name is khan” scene) in any generic futuristic setting.

2, but I was tempted to go with a 1, didn’t only because it wasn’t a clip show like shades of grey.

 

[James Cole]

What goal posts? That's what happened on TMP. They explained right in the movie why the enterprise looked different. Did you even see the movie?

Most debates in this area usually revolve around someone saying well X went over the speed limit, so you have no right to complain about Y going over the speed limit.

But, there's a big difference between going 5 over the speed limit vs 25 or 50. There's nuance. Star Trek between 1966 and 2005 by and large fit together. Star Trek after 2009... just doesn't fit that well together.

But again, one thing I am thankful for is that S31 effectively stayed in its own lane. It's a mess, but a contained mess.

 

[HotRod]

Say what you will about the movie, but they didn't skimp in the make-up department.

 

[The Wormhole]

^^That alien in the center drinking from the cup amuses me.

 

[HotRod]

^^That alien in the center drinking from the cup amuses me.

It's Fuzz! I love that he was done at least partially with prosthetics.

 

[JD]

Wait Fuzz was an actor in a mask? I had assumed he was CGI.

Thst does not mean the years since kirk commanded the enterprise. Everyone has clearly aged more than 2 1/2 years. They all look 10 years older.

The Prodigy production team confirmed it's the same Terran Empire that we see in the 23rd century, but by the 24th century it's a much smaller enclave consisting of just Earth and its immediate neighbours with the Klingon-Cardassian alliance having taken much of its territory.

Which is the same background they used for the TNG MU comics. I wonder if they did that on purpose or if it's a coincidence? I think someone said they used the same combadge design on Prodigy that was introduced in the comics, so it might be on purpose.

To be precise, Decker just says that Kirk hasn't logged a single star-hour in "two and a half years" – it's never confirmed whether it's specifically aboard the Enterprise.

TMP has a somewhat ambiguous five/six-year window in which it can take place. VOY: "Q2" explicitly states Kirk's five-year mission ended in 2270, so the absolute earliest it can possibly take place is the latter half of 2272, depending exactly when in 2270 Kirk's five year mission ended. But we know from TNG: "Cause and Effect" that the monster maroon uniforms were in use by 2278, so it must be before this. So TMP must be no earlier than mid-2272 and no later than mid-2278.

Personally I quite like the idea that TMP is in 2275, if for no reason than five years after the end of Kirk's five-year mission and ten years before TWOK is pleasingly neat and regular. But yeah, 100% behind the general idea that TWOK is a solid decade after TMP.

Memory Alpha just says 2270s, but Beta specifically puts it in 2273.

Not rose colored glasses. Sure there were errors here or there or things changed like no woman in Starfleet. But the Kurtzman era has gone out of their way to INTENTIONALLY change well know story points. Spock had a wife and Chapel didn't know T'pring for example. That is a HUGE change and people can skirt it all they want to. Fun house sized the online interiors, Kirk knowing Pike, A khan descendant arriving with Spock. The list goes on....

None of those are any worse than anything we got in TOS to ENT. Hell when TOS began Spock was Vulcanian and there was no Federation yet. People like to overlook them, but there were tons of constant condrictions from one show to another or even within one show.
Just look at how differently Trills were presented in TNG and the early episodes of DS9 versus how they are portrayed from the later part of DS9 forward.
They have gone against a lot of fanon assumptions, but there really have not been the kind of major contradictions that a lot of people like to claim there are.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Abrams and the casts' salary demands exceed the budget that would be required to produce a reasonably profitable film.

Maybe Hollywood needs to work on fixing this.

Actors & Talent salary being too excessive compared to what normal people make.

That might be a "Hot Take", but I don't think the acting staff or directing staff are worth the asking price that they ask for.

 

[David cgc]

Um, where do yo get the idea that Chapel didn't know T'Pring?

She and Spock never say anything to the contrary and it's Uhura who says: "She's lovely Mr. Spock. Who is she?" in TOS S2 Amok Time (and to date in SNW Uhura has been off the ship or just not around when T'Pring has shown up. They have never met/interacted in SNW.)

I do enjoy the little "Clone Wars"-style technicalities SNW is being careful with, once you know what you're looking for.

If anything young Kirk congratulating Pike for his promotion to Fleet Captain fits in with everything we saw in "The Menagerie, Part I(TOS)."

It was a bit disappointing that it was promotion just for that episode. It reminds me of how surprised I was in the middle of the second season of Battlestar Galactica when characters started getting promotes. "What? Is that even possible? They're 'Commander Adama' and 'Lieutenant Starbuck,' those are, like, their names, with trademarks. Are you allowed to make them an Admiral and a Captain?"

But, no, I guess he won't permanently be Flaptain Pike until the end of the show. Not everyone can be as bold as Ron Moore was twenty years ago.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Chapel acts surprised in Amok Time? When? When she walks on the Bridge as they are speaking with Vulcan Central, she says "What's going on?" and is quicly Shssed by McCoy. She didn't appear shocked or surprised before or after T'Pring appeared on the screen or Spock said, "She is T'Pring. My Wife."

Shes there in the bridge before tpring is even on screen. After spock and tpring exchange their loving greeting and Uhura asks who she is Spock says Tpring my wife and chapel has a startled look and than turns head left to where mccoy is standing continuing to look shocked. She clearly was there for the entire exchange and gave a stsrtled abd shocked look when spock mentionrd tpring was his wife.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

But one thing that's not talked about is that within the classic episodic formula there's a lot of flexibility to address different topics, appeal to different audiences, and do different stories that allows for spotlights on an ensemble and explore all the characters. Except for Strange New Worlds, all of the live-action shows on Paramount+ have mostly been series tied down to one serialized story, centered on one character, and if the audience isn't in to it they me be out.

And that's a fundamental flaw in the show design IMO.

The Ensemble Cast allows the writer ALOT more flexibility instead of having the show revolve around one character.

If a person doesn't like 1 character, for whatever reason, the next episode will focus on another character.

That's the beauty of the Ensemble Cast structure.

They went too deep on focusing on 1x Character as the lead and have the entire story world revolve around them.

In the future, the entire Ensemble Cast should be focused on.

TNG/DS9 got it right IMO.

Focus on a LARGE wide varied cast.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

If anything young Kirk congratulating Pike for his promotion to Fleet Captain fits in with everything we saw in "The Menagerie, Part I(TOS)."

These lines of dialogue always bugged me.

MENDEZ: You ever met Chris Pike?
KIRK: When he was promoted to Fleet Captain.
MENDEZ: About your age. Big, handsome man, vital, active.
KIRK: I took over the Enterprise from him.

Why is Mendez describing Pike to Kirk, after Kirk already answered that they had met? But the most perplexing is his "about your age". So, Pike is supposed to be in his mid 30s like Kirk, thus would have been in his early 20s during the events "The Cage"?

I always assumed this was just a byproduct of Gene doing a lot of patch work with the pilot with what TOS was by the time that episode was developed. Bits like this just flew by because he was on a tight schedule.