Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion
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And then TWOK. Things get changed.
Heck, TOS Season 3 felt substantially different from Season 1 and that was the same series and separated by only two years.
But things were moving forwards in all those cases.
But not consistently or the same. Completely different shows.
"Forwards" is a relative thing, especially in fandom, and the word has so many different meanings depending on the kind of fan using it.
Not really. 10 years had passed. Pretty much easily explains the difference in tech. Plus its explained right in the movie that the enterprise eas refit and amost totally new. So no problem there.
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Again.... Star Wars was a motion picture with some of the best production designers working at the time!
You can still create a modern series or film that looks like they did in the 70s and 80s because they don't look nearly as dated, even today.
Same with Alien, which you or someone else brought up. The film was nominated for an Academy Award for production design.
Comparing Star Wars, Alien, or any late 70s scifi film with a half decent production budget to a TV show from the mid to late 60s, doesn't make a lick of sense!
Star Wars looks timeless. TOS looks very much like it was made when it was made.
You have no evidence of the time passed, especially not ten years.
It's assumed. It leans on the viewer to fill in the gaps. The refit is barely explained and nothing else is.
Huge problem with TMP for me. That fans can paper over it is a testament to their imagination not Trek's consistency.
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Those goalposts are just gonna keep moving, ain't they?
Although SNW is perfectly fine (not disputing that) some of us believe that a series set around TOS only needs minimal improvements to make it look good. I don't think any of us think you can recreate the sets and props 1:1, then roll cameras.
What goal posts? That's what happened on TMP. They explained right in the movie why the enterprise looked different. Did you even see the movie?
It's at least 2 years, said on screen. I feel like I'm being gaslighted.
"18 months" on the refit. Not the ten years the response I replied to said.It's at least 2 years, said on screen. I feel like I'm being gaslighted.
I could have been more clear in my objection though.
Exactly!It's at least 2 years, said on screen. I feel like I'm being gaslighted.
Decker: "Sir, you haven't logged a single star hour in 2 1/2 years."
Well, I'm 41 and I do want my favorite franchises to have lots of kids toys, because that's a sign of a healthy and growing property. My 3 year old put on his jumpsuit and goggles last week and started "fixing" his proton pack on the dining room table. Trek should be so lucky.
It looked newer and shinier. Which is fine when you're progressing forward in time. It didn't need any explanation beyond time had passed. Look how fast we're technologically evolving. 18 months may seem like a lifetime to do technical makeovers.
Kirk hadn't logged a single star hour in two-and-a-half years.
Not talking in universe. Talking about creative choices. TMP chose to move away from aesthetic of TOS. They could have hewed closer (and Phase II did), but did not. TWOK moved further away. TNG even more.
In universe only two and a half years passed, anyway. The tech rarely changes much, just how it’s presented or named. Trek is pretty stagnant in that area. Slap quantum on it and call it more advanced.
It’s still laser beams, force fields and rayguns.
I would absolutely love to see Trek have a toy presence again! It would be like when I was little, having the Mego toys (figures, Enterprise set, walkie-talkie communicators)
Part of it would involve Trek being somewhere other than a streaming service, and have something that appeals to a mass audience, which makes me think that something like SNW should be on TV somewhere, not streaming.
