Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

[Trekker4747]

I admit that the musical episode is... A lot to try and accept. But I accept it more than instant-travel tardigrades, time-travel crystals and most of the stuff DISC puts in the 23c. Subspace Rhapsody is gun, the musical element does a lot for the characters of Spock, Singh and Chapel.

 

[Trekker4747]

I got that.

Are you sure? Seems you didn't.

 

[Noname Given]

Michelle Yeoh was entertaining and the action sequences were decent.

I like the character of the 350 year-old argument, the cameloid, and Rachel Garrett; so the group they ended up with at the end I wouldn't mind seeing again.

The female Delton, the moron in a mech suit , and the angry insect alien driving the laughing Vulcan Android body (and his wife) I could do without; and the last thing Star Trek needs to do is rip off some of the more stupid aspects of Men In Black.

(And I guess they got Jamie Lee Curtis signed when they still thought it was going to be a series and figure she'd be something that would generate more press for it as well. I wonder how much she got paid for her 20 second cameo?)

And the story itself has logic gaps you could pass a planet through, not to mention that given dialogue in the film, and the characters used, it probably takes place around the year 2330, or 70 years after Emperor Philippa disappeared; yet her Terran Universe contemporary who served her after losing the Terran Emperor contest still seems about the same age as she is even though he should be 70 years older or dead of old age.

However I don't agree that this is the worst Star Trek film ever made. I still found it overall more entertaining and enjoyable then;

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

All the TNG feature films with the exception of Star Trek First Contact.

For me it's about on par with how I felt after watching Star Trek Vi: the Undiscovered Country

It's known that they had a Section 31 TV series pilot script written, along with about five full episode Scripts before they decided to turn all this into a feature film.

It also had Michelle Paradise's fingerprints all over it as it in the end was just another MacGuffin Chase where the MacGuffin would end the alpha quadrants if someone from the Federation didn't intervene. I hope they never let her near a Star Trek project again.

Like I said I found it entertaining in the same way I found the film Buckaroo Banzai entertaining. It didn't make a lot of sense but it was fun to watch even though it did come across as an overblown pilot episode.

Although I do have to say if they made a sequel with the group they had at the end, I'd still be interested in watching it. Maybe they can get a writer who actually watch the DS9 and has a better understanding of what Section 31 was supposed to be.

VMMV

 

[JLA]

Are you sure? Seems you didn't.

What are you basing that on?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Michelle Yeoh was entertaining and the action sequences were decent.

I like the character of the 350 year-old argument, the cameloid, and Rachel Garrett; so the group they ended up with at the end I wouldn't mind seeing again.

The female Delton, the moron in a mech suit , and the angry insect alien driving the laughing Vulcan Android body (and his wife) I could do without; and the last thing Star Trek needs to do is rip off some of the more stupid aspects of Men In Black.

(And I guess they got Jamie Lee Curtis signed when they still thought it was going to be a series and figure she'd be something that would generate more press for it as well. I wonder how much she got paid for her 20 second cameo?)

And the story itself has logic gaps you could pass a planet through, not to mention that given dialogue in the film, and the characters used, it probably takes place around the year 2330, or 70 years after Emperor Philippa disappeared; yet her Terran Universe contemporary who served her after losing the Terran Emperor contest still seems about the same age as she is even though he should be 70 years older or dead of old age.

However I don't agree that this is the worst Star Trek film ever made. I still found it overall more entertaining and enjoyable then;

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

All the TNG feature films with the exception of Star Trek First Contact.

For me it's about on par with how I felt after watching Star Trek Vi: the Undiscovered Country

It's known that they had a Section 31 TV series pilot script written, along with about five full episode Scripts before they decided to turn all this into a feature film.

It also had Michelle Paradise's fingerprints all over it as it in the end was just another MacGuffin Chase where the MacGuffin would end the alpha quadrants if someone from the Federation didn't intervene.

Like I said I found it entertaining in the same way I found the film Buckaroo Banzai entertaining. It didn't make a lot of sense but it was fun to watch even though it did come across as an overblown pilot episode.

Although I do have to say if they made a sequel with the group they had at the end, I'd still be interested in watching it. Maybe they can get a writer who actually watch the DS9 and has a better understanding of what Section 31 was supposed to be.

VMMV

It’s A SPOILER thread! You don’t have hide anything!!!

 

[Noname Given]

It’s A SPOILER thread! You don’t have hide anything!!!

Yeah I saw that after I posted it with the spoiler tags so I went back and edited them out.

 

[Danja]

I guess they got Jamie Lee Curtis signed when they still thought it was going to be a series and figure she'd be something that would generate more press for it as well. I wonder how much she got paid for her 20 second cameo?

I'm thinking Michelle Yeoh recruited her from Everything Everywhere All At Once (They both won Oscars for the same picture!)

Trek now has another entry in its roster of Academy Award winners (Michelle Yeoh, Whoopi Goldberg, Christopher Plummer, Holly Hunter)

 

[Sakonna]

It's not as if we haven't seen time discrepancies in travel between the prime and mirror universes before. In fact, this would be the third time that has happened, after the prime Defiant moved backwards in time to the mirror universe, and Discovery moving 9 months into the future returning from the mirror universe.

My theory is that the two sides of the portal empty into different time periods. Which, now that I've said it out loud, I realize that Star Trek has done before with the micro-wormhole in the first season of Voyager that emptied out into 23rd century Romulan space. Yeah, San is not an issue for me.

I saw this the same way. San's age doesn't bump at all as a continuity error for me. Most of the recent crossings between the Prime and Mirror Universe have also involved time travel. Besides the examples you mention, Georgiou's trip back to the MU in "Terra Firma" was also a trip through time.

And if that explanation doesn't work for people, I also find it likely the ruthless MU has tons of ways to extend one's life by various horrible means. Draining the lifeforce from an entire species, or similar.

 

[The Wormhole]

Also, Georgiou is holding the Godsend when it goes off. Putting aside the idea that they could be beamed out when they're right next to the explosion, usually when someone is transported whatever they're holding comes with them (e.g., Data holding the Varon-T disruptor at Fajo when he's beamed aboard). Did she drop it at the last second?

What does or doesn't get beamed up with a person has always been plot contingent.

 

[HotRod]

I do hope that SNW is mostly traditional Star Trek.

Strange New Worlds IS traditional Star Trek. 25 seasons of Berman-era Star Trek has brainwashed the fandom into thinking it isn't, but it is.

Once I become the benevolent dictator of the world, my re-education camps will have the non-believers forced to watch Subspace Rhapsody on repeat. Over and over, until they finally see the light.

 

[JLA]

Strange New Worlds IS traditional Star Trek. 25 seasons of Berman-era Star Trek has brainwashed the fandom into thinking it isn't, but it is.

Once I become the benevolent dictator of the world, my re-education camps will have the non-believers forced to watch Subspace Rhapsody on repeat. Over and over, until they finally see the light.

 

[Skipper]

Uh I kinda liked it.

...am I a i kind of monster..?

 

[Yistaan]

Just opened Paramount+

Top 10 Movies Now:

1. GLADIATOR II
2. S31
3. GLADIATOR
4. THE PAINTER
5. TOP GUN MAVERICK
6. FIRST SHIFT
7. TRANSFORMERS ONE
8. FINEST KIND
9. SONIC 2

Uh I kinda liked it.

...am I a i kind of monster..?

I liked it a bit too, but we're the minority so keep your head down.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Uh I kinda liked it.

...am I a i kind of monster..?

Possibly history’s greatest.

 

[HotRod]

Uh I kinda liked it.

...am I a i kind of monster..?

 

[Trekker4747]

What are you basing that on?

You said they were "singing the same song."

They very much weren't. Every song had a different tone and style.

 

[FredH]

I'm not convinced that JLC wasn't artificial. She changes position and demeanor in a split-second glitch.

Ooo, does she? I hadn’t noticed.

 

[Saul]

That's why you don't count the 1s.

In this case, we aren't counting the 10s. Definite trolling.

 

[DarKush]

The same Tomed Incident that happened thirteen years before this movie? Don't think that will be covered in a sequel.

First off, a sequel doesn't have to linearly follow from the date of the first movie. Secondly, I also said its aftermath. Heck, the movie could even start with a Tomed Incident flashback (like how the movie started with a Terran Empire flashback) and then deal with the aftermath.

 

[Commander K]

what a hot mess of a film. Poorly put together, not sure what it wants to be.
asides from scripted dancey fight sequences this is going nowhere.
Script written in Chat GPT...leading to mostly terrible cardboard hammy performances

didnt think there would be a cringier character than Grey, then comes along the Irish Vulcan that acts like a Leprechaun

positives...cinematography great...

Like JJ abramsverse and Dsc season 2 had a child....

(And they kill the eye candy too early in the movie)