"In the Pale Moonlight(DS9)" has almost no happy moments, and it's revered as one of Trek's finest hours of small screen content.
Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion
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If only this Garrett story were anywhere near the level of that Garrett story.
Wel,l we all know that it was grandfathered in. It cannot be allowed to exist now.
This is the worst piece of Star Trek ever. I enjoy nearly everything. This is a hot, streaming pile of crap.
Another thing niggling away at me: When Georgiou and Alok discover (well, get a hunch) that there's a mole, why the hell do they get together all of the suspects and tell them?!? In what world does that make sense for a spy to do? There could have been a lot of tension bordering on paranoia as we watch the story from the POV of the two of them, as they look at the remaining squad members for signs of betrayal. But instead we get cheap drama and two different lame fakeouts.
I'd actually argue that only Discovery's first two seasons were particularly dark. While not upbeat, it developed a cloying, Hallmark Channel sort of vibe by the end.
Other than Book's planet being destroyed, I can't think of a single bad thing that happened to anybody in the final two seasons. Only the "bad guys" got to die.
I really disagree with you regarding the movie, but I do agree that the visual design was one of the bright spots, particularly in Act 1.
If only it was paired with good cinematography.
I'd actually argue that only Discovery's first two seasons were particularly dark. While not upbeat, it developed a cloying, Hallmark Channel sort of vibe by the end.
Other than Book's planet being destroyed, I can't think of a single bad thing that happened to anybody in the final two seasons. Only the "bad guys" got to die.
I really disagree with you regarding the movie, but I do agree that the visual design was one of the bright spots, particularly in Act 1.
If only it was paired with good cinematography.
"TATV...(ENT)" may be owed a lot of apologies right about now. 
I read the PRODIGY one as being "a" mirror-type universe with a Terran Empire, not exactly the one seen in TOS & DS9. There were a ton of Federations in TNG's "Parallels". Why not have multiple variations of alt universes with Terran Empires? Would a newly reconstituted Terran Empire after the DS9 Terran Rebellion have a Voyager-A with slipstream technology less than ten years later?
I don't think the Cosmonaut Variety Hour watches Star Trek stuff, but I wonder if this would qualify as "delicious garbage" under his categorization.
I am only a few minutes in and the dialogue is terrible and the exposition is terribly done.. It's like they picked up pieces of Star Trek from a puzzle but what they're doing with it has nothing to do with it. This is going to be a rough watch. They really need a real Star Trek fan as an executive producer. How could Kurtzman be okay with this?
Your description of Disco is spot on, and makes me realize something else I liked about this movie - it was so nice to see Georgiou freed from the confines of Discovery.
There was always something unsettling about trying to integrate a character responsible for multiple genocides into all the emotional heart-to-hearts and positive affirmations on that show. It undermined the Disco characters, and it defanged Georgiou. (I did love her exit two-parter, but wrapping that up with everyone's schmoopy speeches about how much she meant to them was some of the worst and most self-indulgent writing of the entire series)
I think that's another reason the character popped for me like never before in this. She was finally in a context that suited her.
Well...I watched the movie until the end and I have to admit, it was quite entertainining and i didn't get bored. So, it was better than I expected.
My hope to learn more or the truth about section 31 wasn't fulfilled though.
The characters could have been written stronger imo...if you compare them with all the classic Star Trek characters they come long quite lukewarm.
Do I like Philippa better now? Not really...
In the end I think it's worth watching, nice sience fiction entertainment...but not more.
My hope to learn more or the truth about section 31 wasn't fulfilled though.
The characters could have been written stronger imo...if you compare them with all the classic Star Trek characters they come long quite lukewarm.
Do I like Philippa better now? Not really...
In the end I think it's worth watching, nice sience fiction entertainment...but not more.
Worse than "These Are the Voyages"? Worse than "Threshold," "Spock's Brain," and "Take Me Out to the Holosuite"?
It had missteps (wooden dialogue, mechanical pacing). At the same time, trying to adapt a ten-episode series into a ninety-minute film deserves an A for effort.
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TATV killed Trip. I don't think any of the characters killed in S31 will be missed, except maybe the Deltan woman.
Nothing is worse than that, to my mind. Underminds relationships between Trip and T'Pol, kills Trip for no good reason, integrates a Riker/Troi subplot and throws off a whole other episode for no good reason.
It has no good reason. Sorry, Trey.
Up thread I said I would watch this movie again before I would ever watch These Are the Voyages again, and I proved myself right and rewatched the movie today."TATV...(ENT)" may be owed a lot of apologies right about now.
Are Deltans the new red shirts?
Michelle Yeoh and Jamie Lee Curtis (two Academy Award winners) together in the same picture! How often does THAT happen?
Michelle must've drafted JLC straight from Everything Everywhere All At Once.
Welcome to Star Trek, Jamie Lee!
Michelle must've drafted JLC straight from Everything Everywhere All At Once.
Welcome to Star Trek, Jamie Lee!
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