It's the appeal to ad populum that feels like a requirement to like, i.e. "Why don't you like it when so many people like it?"
Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion
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Yes.. lets have a Hunger Games contest to select our next ruler.. Thats never backfired..
And it wouldn't make since for an Emperess Sato.. ugh.. Writing was as terrible as Discovery.. since it was made by the same team.. Could have been so much better.. but.. wasnt
And it wouldn't make since for an Emperess Sato.. ugh.. Writing was as terrible as Discovery.. since it was made by the same team.. Could have been so much better.. but.. wasnt
Sorry, I'm just not following...No sign of the 23rd century Duras family or time travelling Lursa and B’Etor. I was also hoping that Armus would show up as I am sure that I saw this entity in the trailer? Ended up being something else though…
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Here's my theory on Alok as he exists in the final product of S31...
On the alternate Earth where people liked S31, and it went to series after this compressed TV series / TV movie / backdoor pilot was successful, he's not just the audience surrogate, but also the replacement lead. Let's say Yeoh wanted to stay involved, but the budget didn't have the money to afford her as a regular... she could re-occur. Perhaps come in once or twice a year and film viewscreen briefings, maybe be in a full episode... essentially be the new Control. Alok has backstory to pick up on. He could make present day references. He's a Gen Z, just like
There's two Suicide Squad films with very different casts. Alok would be the one person that for sure would be in the next S31 thing, whatever it was, whether Yeoh would be a quick cameo or a lead.
Hey I love modern Trek, unapologetically. But Section 31 isn't very good.
I can see it ending up with a cult-within-a-cult following though. And I'm curious how the non-Trekkie and younger (as in, not 40+) crowd it's aimed at are liking it.
That's why you don't count the 1s.
I could not disagree more, Lower Deck is one of the absolute best things that has the Paramount+ era Star Trek has given us. It is absolutely a ton of fun, and exactly the kind of different and new content the franchise needs if it's going to continue.
I think one of the best things Kurtzman has done with the franchise is he's allowed people to try new and different things and not just given more of the same kind of thing we've already been getting for 60 years.
I watched the movie last night, and I didn't think it was the complete disaster a lot of people do. Now I don't know if I'd call it good, but it was at least OKish. I did like the cast, and it had some good ideas, like having some from Georgiou's past in the MU show up as a bad guy, were good, but the execution just wasn't that great. It felt like they were trying way to hard to be hip and cool, with the dialogue and fast cuts and zooms and all of that, but they just couldn't pull it off.
I also have to wonder if this was originally meant to be the full season of the show, and the problems come from trying to cut what was meant to be a 10 or 13 episode story into 1 hour and a half long movie.
Another thought: an R rating may have helped.
Sure, they were trying to ape Guardians, which does fine with PG-13. But I'd argue that taking a bit more from Deadpool here instead - with cartoonish, over-the-top gore - would have added to the "dumb fun" vibe they were going for.
Sure, they were trying to ape Guardians, which does fine with PG-13. But I'd argue that taking a bit more from Deadpool here instead - with cartoonish, over-the-top gore - would have added to the "dumb fun" vibe they were going for.
If Star Trek is turned into a dark and ominous series of movies and films for the ‘next generation’, then all of the ‘old skool’ Star Trek fans who liked *real* Star Trek in the original format would look like bad people for having this as their favorite show. Positive role models and aspirations of the future have been replaced with dictators, and mirror versions of what the future was originally intended to be; including Georgiou, who was originally intended to be the Captain of a Starship, the Shenzhou.
Someone has twisted Star Trek into a dark
Mirror of what it should be, I don’t actually think that it was Kurtzman… he’s quiet like he is no longer in command of the franchise and does not have any say in what happens next, letting anyone make any Trek show or movie that they want… other than me and Terry Matalas!
If an international audience unfamiliar with Star Trek watched the new Star Trek which is currently being produced without seeing what Star Trek once was and should be, then it looks like Star Trek fans are bad people, being fans of a ‘dark’ and ominous show rather than one which is preaching positivity and inclusivity for our future ?
Someone has twisted Star Trek into a dark
Mirror of what it should be, I don’t actually think that it was Kurtzman… he’s quiet like he is no longer in command of the franchise and does not have any say in what happens next, letting anyone make any Trek show or movie that they want… other than me and Terry Matalas!
If an international audience unfamiliar with Star Trek watched the new Star Trek which is currently being produced without seeing what Star Trek once was and should be, then it looks like Star Trek fans are bad people, being fans of a ‘dark’ and ominous show rather than one which is preaching positivity and inclusivity for our future ?
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That may apply to this, the first couple seasons of Disco, and maybe Picard, but I really would apply it to Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks or the later seasons of Disco. So really the lighter more optimistic stuff still out numbers the dark stuff by a pretty wide margin.
I have admit, I was getting really sick of Rachel Garrett talking about being a Captain someday. I understand they were trying to be funny since we all know she's going to be captain of the Enterprise, but that kind of thing only really works once or twice before it goes from a fun little nudge to beating you over the head with it.
I have admit, I was getting really sick of Rachel Garrett talking about being a Captain someday. I understand they were trying to be funny since we all know she's going to be captain of the Enterprise, but that kind of thing only really works once or twice before it goes from a fun little nudge to beating you over the head with it.
Did she mention it more than once? I thought she only mentioned it near the end when in the cargo hold
Then you haven't been paying attention at all, because he still does interviews.
That hasn't happened at all. Go watch Strange New Worlds none of the characters on that show are like that, most characters are positive role models. Lower Decks and Prodigy are over now, but both of those shows showed an optimistic future with positive characters.
Section 31 is the only modern production that fits your description.
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It was mentioned at least once, but I don't think she was the one mentioning it the first time (someone else teased her about "Yes, even hanging with us you'll still be a captain someday" or something like that).
That being said, having a Starfleet supervisor seems an odd fit when the very concept of Section 31 was that they do stuff Starfleet wouldn't do. Having a Starfleet officer involved complicates things. I wouldn't even be surprised now if Garrett was sent to her death against the Romulans in a losing battle precisely because she knew too much.
Honestly I probably have too…maybe even more than 90%, and I find this movie relentlessly and aggressively ill-conceived and bad.
I almost clicked on the banner for it as I opened Amazon Prime on my TV and got the ad for it.
Almost. But... Not tonight. I'm thinking a night with 30mg.
Tonight I continue my Voyager rewatch.
Sigh... You know, there was a time when a Section 31 movie would've felt like a good idea.
Almost. But... Not tonight. I'm thinking a night with 30mg.
Tonight I continue my Voyager rewatch.
Sigh... You know, there was a time when a Section 31 movie would've felt like a good idea.
OK, I watched it and it was about what I expected. Action based, plot-thin, little emotional attachment to anyone involved. The only characters they bother to develop at all are Georgiou and San.
But it wasn't horrifically bad. As empty calories it was fine. I went with a 6. Yeoh was great, as expected. I thought the opening flashback to the Hunger Games-ish thing with San and her family was actually pretty good.
The who is the mole stuff was fine, in a who-dunnit kind of way.
But why didn't the other ship just shoot them with phasers? Or if the thing needed Georgiou's DNA to work, why the fuss? And why was there no chain reaction? Did I miss something?
And why does the Deltan always die? TMP, PIC, and now this.
But it wasn't horrifically bad. As empty calories it was fine. I went with a 6. Yeoh was great, as expected. I thought the opening flashback to the Hunger Games-ish thing with San and her family was actually pretty good.
The who is the mole stuff was fine, in a who-dunnit kind of way.
But why didn't the other ship just shoot them with phasers? Or if the thing needed Georgiou's DNA to work, why the fuss? And why was there no chain reaction? Did I miss something?
And why does the Deltan always die? TMP, PIC, and now this.
If an international audience unfamiliar with Star Trek watched the new Star Trek which is currently being produced without seeing what Star Trek once was and should be, then it looks like Star Trek fans are bad people, being fans of a ‘dark’ and ominous show rather than one which is preaching positivity and inclusivity for our future ?
I watched an interview on YouTube yesterday. I don't remember who the interviewer was, only that I didn't know who she was. It was her first time watching anything Trek and she really enjoyed it. She asked what she should watch next, so that's something, I guess.
They (Zeph & Fuzz actors) suggested TNG. That seems like a drastic 180 from what we just watched, even though it speaks best of the positivity and inclusivity of which you speak. I think I would have suggested something from the streaming era like where Georgiou is kicking ass in the season 2 Disco finale or maybe the mirror universe's "The Wolf Inside" to introduce some long-standing Trek species and to show the Georgiou-as-Emperor reveal. Have the interviewer work her way up to TNG.
I dunno.
You're overthinking it, they probably said TNG because of Yesterday's Enterprise and Rachel Garrett.
