Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

[eschaton]

I think by "his planet" he meant Earth, it was just poorly worded in the shooting script.

Reminds me of a minor niggle I had in the opening, when young Georgiou talks with her (soon-to-be-dead) family about having to go to "Terra" for the Hunger Games expy contest.

This really confused the heck out of me, because Season 1 of Discovery established that both prime Georgiou and MU Georgiou grew up in Malaysia. Of course, that dry, dusty plain didn't look much like Malaysia, but the MU Earth is an ecological wasteland, so I could buy it if I squinted hard enough.

 

[Captain Dax]

I will say this, the movie left me wanting more. This mission at the end of the episode...I want to see it. I want to see those Alpha and Beta teams!

I think this is the result of 10 scripts being summed up in these 90 minutes as well as the general entertainment level and acting.

The mission to Turkana IV? The planet controlled by rape gangs?

 

[Fateor]

Given how SECTION 31 was overall, and what the majority of reviews are saying about it, I'd say a lot of people DID fail at their job.

Did you WATCH the movie?

The problem with that is that this movie had the exact same problems Discovery had, just made more obvious due to the compacted nature.

 

[Tuskin38]

People are attacking TrekCore for disliking the movie, calling them haters… Clearly just trolling because TrekCore has liked 90% of the stuff released in the last 9 years

 

[Commander Richard]

Yeah, they didn't make good use of Section 31 and what it's supposed to represent. Regular Starfleet could have indeed handled this mission, as mentioned earlier.

With this movie, we could have seen Georgiou, the rogue "operative" acting alone and taking it upon herself to do some truly nasty stuff on the level of assassinations, sabotage or attempted genocide all in the name of protecting the Federation's ideals. And one big twist could have revealed that her actions weren't necessary. Starfleet's more enlightened ways can and do prove successful most of the time. And when they don't, that's a small victory for Section 31 when it does what it has to do. That delema would have made for a good movie or show. Does the Federation really need Section 31? Or is it run by a few paranoid crazies who don't trust the system?

 

[Daedalus]

Thanks for posting this. I kept rewinding hoping to get a better look!

I can see a STV assault phaser and a TOS phaser, but what's that to the left of the latter?

Answering my own question; but I think it's a STIII phaser.

 

[Citiprime]

Alok had potential. A character who grew up in the 20th Century now living in the 24th. Would've been nice to see an episode focused on his backstory. It never would've happened but, if it did, it could've been interesting.

As someone who gave this thing a 2, I thought Omari Hardwick was great in this and the best thing about it!

I think it’s because he’s one of the few characters where the actor didn’t play it over the top. And other than Georgiou, Alok is the only character that seems fully realized. He’s not just a character who is only defined by his role on the team, a foil, or a person to die to move the plot along.

 

[Yistaan]

Not just certain franchises, but certain creators who know what they're doing, working with people who utilise their strengths instead of hacking up their films in post production.

Rotten Tomatoes:

• Guardians of the Galaxy - 92% critics, 92% users. Fresh!
• Suicide Squad - 26% critics, 58% users. Rotten.
• Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - 85% critics, 87% users. Fresh!
• The Suicide Squad - 90% critics, 82% users. Fresh!
• Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - 82% critics, 94% users. Fresh!

One of these movies wasn't made by James Gunn.

I'd rather rewatch Section 31 than any of the movies you just listed. Yes I know the audience and critic scores disagree with me, but I saw all those films and wasn't impressed by any of them. I'm not impressed with James Gunn, did think that his past behavior which he was briefly fired from Disney for is problematic (although I'm glad he got his job back and changed his ways), and his style in general is just not my thing.

 

[Farscape One]

The problem with that is that this movie had the exact same problems Discovery had, just made more obvious due to the compacted nature.

You're right that this and DISCO had the same basic problem.

The writing.

 

[Commander Richard]

I don't think I've ever seen an episode or movie where the lowest score got the most votes.

 

[fireproof78]

I'd rather rewatch Section 31 than any of the movies you just listed.

Guardians is over hyped.

Never watched Suicide Squad because those characters are stupid and irritating.

 

[Aragorn]

Does anyone else find the green screen/volume in streaming Trek too good and thus too fake? What I mean is the images themselves look great, but it's just obvious it's not real when you stick the characters in front of it, if that makes sense. For example, Mandalorian walking through a canyon looks believable but then you have these huge shots of the outdoors in streaming Trek that just take you out of it. Maybe it's just the scope they attempt.

 

[Yistaan]

Guardians is over hyped.

Never watched Suicide Squad because those characters are stupid and irritating.

It seems like you and I are on the same wavelength on this so, having watched the Suicide Squad films (the non-Gunn and the Gunn one both), you aren't missing much.

 

[Sim]

What a pathetic bullshit.

THANK GOD it's only it's only a streaming movie and not a series.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Guardians is over hyped.

92% of reviewers recommended it, 92% of viewers enjoyed it. I don't know how you determine if something is excessively hyped, but it seems to me that the hype levels were perfectly appropriate in this case.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

I actually think it would be really funny if they just kept mentioning different decades for the Eugenic Wars every time they come up.

 

[fireproof78]

92% of reviewers recommended it, 92% of viewers enjoyed it. I don't know how you determine if something is excessively hyped, but it seems to me that the hype levels were perfectly appropriate in this case.

When I am told I have to like it because the majority does-that's over hyped.

Popularity does not make it good.

 

[Daedalus]

I actually think it would be really funny if they just kept mentioning different decades for the Eugenic Wars every time they come up.

1880s Eugenics Wars. Only one man can stop Wild Bill HicKhan.

Spoiler

 

[Firebird]

When I am told I have to like it because the majority does-that's over hyped.

Popularity does not make it good.

Who was telling you that you were required to like anything? Seems more like you're being needlessly defiant.

 

[Fateor]

I look at the first part of the movie with young Georgiou killing her family and am just left thinking.

"How much money did this waste?"

You have a giant outdoor set, a bunch of post work to make it look more alien, actors, props, and all for a scene that's completely unneeded to the narrative.

From a narrative perspective literally all it does is introduce the idea of the "poison", explain how "San" got his scar, and show that Georgiou has always been a psychopath. All of which could have been done in other scenes with no real effect to the narrative flow.

Hell, you didn't even need to introduce the idea of the poison, just have him spit up blood and have Georgiou go "Poison?".