The movie was a big mess in shining lights. Sort of a comedy? Reminded me of the first seasons of Picard. One known character + a bunch of unknowns. Maybe it could have been better if they had brought back someone else from Discovery. I don't know. Gave it a 6.
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^ I think Rachel Garrett was supposed to fill that role.
Yeah, he's slightly off the original date. It's nothing that hast been done in other Trek many times, and doesn't really effect the movie itself in any notable way, despite the nitpicking.
We can date it by Rachel Garrett's age. It's roughly around 2330. 2325 isn't out of the question. She was 44 in 2344 when she died.
To be honest that's exactly what a lot of this is, lots of preconceived BS. Maybe 30%? Same way a lot of people in polls vote either really high or absolute low. People can be really unimaginative, black and white. Know anyone like that?
Anyway, it's nice to see half the voters here consider it average or above at this point, because the stuff I've seen online would make you think this is STV scale horrible, when it's not even within several galaxies distance of that travesty.
The reviews really are quite dire. The bandwagon jumpers win!
Meanwhile I'll be enjoying it again today as Paramount + smiles away at the viewers.
Yep. I’m actually pretty charitable toward just about all of modern Trek but this movie was a massive miss, in both concept and execution. What a waste.
Do we think the weapon failed to detonate on the other side of the mirror while crossing? Is the nebula pulsar consistent with how DS9 used to be able to interact with Terrans?
Overall, I got nothing against fun stories set in the universe as established in the many Star Treks including its fringes, even when they're not particularly preachy about something.
Overall, I got nothing against fun stories set in the universe as established in the many Star Treks including its fringes, even when they're not particularly preachy about something.
The average episode rating here is 8.1. This means that 92% of people have voted it below average.
Not really.
First time they connected to the Mirror Universe in DS9 it was because of damage to a Runabout passing through the Wormhole.
For every instance after that, people in the Mirror Universe were able to duplicate the malfunction to the Transporter in "Mirror, Mirror" from TOS to beam between universes.
So now the Eugenics Wars are in the 1990s again? I guess they now take place in two different decades and both are correct because of temporal agents.
This movie still sucks. Tried rewatching a little more, and it barely improved.
This movie still sucks. Tried rewatching a little more, and it barely improved.
To save my sanity, the way I'm looking at it is that temporal agents from all factions are continually frustrated that no matter what they do to alter the Eugenics Wars, nothing from the 22nd century onwards ever changes at all even slightly. Everything naturally ends up exactly as it was, with only the years that get mentioned being different.
Maybe a Q is putting it back again to amuse themself, I don't know.
Maybe a Q is putting it back again to amuse themself, I don't know.
Another thing!
Georgiou’s dialogue sounds like they asked a 13 year old boy to write for her. Just super cringe all around.
I keep thinking of new things that were bad. I need to cleanse my palette with something else.
Georgiou’s dialogue sounds like they asked a 13 year old boy to write for her. Just super cringe all around.
I keep thinking of new things that were bad. I need to cleanse my palette with something else.
It's whenever the writer wants it to be, or happens to find first on Google. I'm leaning towards the latter, in this case.
He just says he was born in the 20th century. The wars could still be in the 21st. Or maybe temporal agents did put them back and it was only SNW that was filmed during a supertime where they were in the 21st century. DS9, after all, put them in the 22nd century, so I think the wars just slide up and down the timeline so at any given day a textbook will say they were at any given point.
Regarding that line of dialogue in DS9, Ron Moore said that he just thought about Khan's line in TWoK about how 200 years ago on Earth he was a prince, and just didn't do the math.
It's possible. The final script writer is Craig Sweeny apparently, with Bo Yeon Kim and Erika Lippoldt still getting general story credit. And a quick look at Memory Alpha and IMDB shows Sweeny's last Trek work was way back in Discovery's Season 1, meaning he may not have been up to speed on the recent redating of the Eugenics Wars. Considering how rushed this whole movie seems to have been, they either didn't catch the implications of Alok's dialogue or did catch it and were like "Is this worth a reshoot/rewrite just to satisfy an extremely niche set of Trek fans meticulously analyzing the timeline? No it isn't"
Luckily for me, I'm heading back to my DS9 Re-Watch today. I'm on "Fascination". Having watched S31 might actually help with whatever my take on that episode is going to be. "At least it's not as bad as Section 31!" But we'll see!
This was a very mediocre movie, and a bad Star Trek movie.
It had that "trying too much to be cool and relate to what we think younger audiences want" vibe that seems to be in all these mediocre to bad productions.
Some things to note:
A lot of contrivances. It was really nice of the Terrans to move the weapon plot to the main universe so Georgiou can accidently meet her old flame.
Georgiou seemed to lose much of her DIS character growth. As much as I didn't care much for DIS, she did have off the wall funny lines which were also absent here.
There are some nice concepts here which weren't explored before in ST: Mech suits, tiny life forms. But they were badly executed. The Vulcan robot guy was annoying. Tip to writers: if a character is annoying to the other characters, they are also annoying to the audience.
This feels like a TV pilot. I thought we would be getting some deeper insight to S31, but we got nothing. New viewers will have no idea what S31 is even about. (Note: if you are a secret organization, don't play your mission briefings in plain view of a crowded bar).
It had that "trying too much to be cool and relate to what we think younger audiences want" vibe that seems to be in all these mediocre to bad productions.
Some things to note:
A lot of contrivances. It was really nice of the Terrans to move the weapon plot to the main universe so Georgiou can accidently meet her old flame.
Georgiou seemed to lose much of her DIS character growth. As much as I didn't care much for DIS, she did have off the wall funny lines which were also absent here.
There are some nice concepts here which weren't explored before in ST: Mech suits, tiny life forms. But they were badly executed. The Vulcan robot guy was annoying. Tip to writers: if a character is annoying to the other characters, they are also annoying to the audience.
This feels like a TV pilot. I thought we would be getting some deeper insight to S31, but we got nothing. New viewers will have no idea what S31 is even about. (Note: if you are a secret organization, don't play your mission briefings in plain view of a crowded bar).
We don't know how old the character was when she died.
You can't always go by the actor's age.
Can you blame them? The awful Guardians of the Galaxy making millions showed that it is what they want. But it only works when certain franchises do it seemingly.
