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Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

Rate the movie...

  • 10 - Excellent!

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • 9

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • 8

    Votes: 11 4.7%
  • 7

    Votes: 20 8.5%
  • 6

    Votes: 31 13.1%
  • 5

    Votes: 36 15.3%
  • 4

    Votes: 16 6.8%
  • 3

    Votes: 26 11.0%
  • 2

    Votes: 27 11.4%
  • 1 - Terrible!

    Votes: 59 25.0%

  • Total voters
    236
It wasn't difficult watching it to the end, so it didn't seem that terrible during the time I was watching it. I'm sorry it wasn't a better story because while I'm not a big Terran Empire fan, the story about Georgio and the person she's referred to as San (in DSC episodes) interested me. However, the movie didn't do this story justice at all. I doubt I'll re-watch it and that's damning from me because I always love re-watching Trek. Even 'Spock's Brain'.
 
BTW, to the people who say "OMG OMG OMG Michelle Yeoh's fight scenes in Section 31 are so awesome":

Are they?

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I want to see more 'Long Trek' TV films about different characters and eras in the Trek universe. And I hope this ...experiment won't completely kill that idea.
Perhaps there is one or two more that could happen? I don't know what it could be, but streaming movies are kind of a staple now. They're cheaper than a series too.
 
BTW, to the people who say "OMG OMG OMG Michelle Yeoh's fight scenes in Section 31 are so awesome":

Are they?

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Were there some "OMG OMG OMG Michelle Yeoh's fight scenes in Section 31 are so awesome" comments?

What's the point here? I would hope the Martial Arts scenes in a martial arts film would be better. Plus that movie's decades old, when Yeoh was twenty three.
 
6/10. I enjoyed it, but it wasn't great. I liked Kacey Rohl as Rachel Garrett. The phase technology was interesting. I thought have a Deltan like Mella as part of the group was cool, and I feel like it was a mistake to kill her off. I thought there was too much bickering among the characters. Still, it wasn't as horrible as some make it seem, but I can't say it wasn't a small disappointment.
 
Seriously who the f#ck 🤬 greenlit this 💩 story/movie?!

It’s a tragedy, we could have gotten the long requested HD remasters of Deep Space Nine and Voyager and probably at least 1 streaming season of some other show for this films budget.

This is a generic, weak-ass sci-fi movie with terrible characters, a razor thin story that two/three mentions apart has zero connections to 60+ years of any kind of Star Trek.

Despite broad source material and many possible takes and stances to take on the controversial section 31, it doesn’t have a bad take on it, it simply has none. Picard facepalm...

Now, this 💩 will live on in infamy under the Star Trek banner of creative works.
 
It’s a tragedy, we could have gotten the long requested HD remasters of Deep Space Nine and Voyager and probably at least 1 streaming season of some other show for this films budget.
And THIS is why everyone's wondering why Hollywood doesn't take risks anymore. The literal definition of risk is that they sometimes fail. But the audience response to failed risks is now over-the-top hatred, and demands for remasters of literally decades old material, instead of a calm assessment of what worked, what didn't, and notes on how to do better next time. Instead, there's sadistic glee that there won't be a "next time" and demands for more of the same old. This is why works are becoming creatively stagnant.
 
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Into Darkness is panned widely among fandom (although I love it) and it's review thread was largely positive, scores-wise.

Even digging up old Nemesis polls show they were more positive than this.
Hmm. I have to dig up my reaction to Star Trek Into Darkness to do a side-by-side comparison. Not including Very Short Treks, that was the last Star Trek project I outright didn't like as opposed to just not being into it.

My thoughts on Star Trek Into Darkness on May 24th, 2013.

I seriously debated whether or not I wanted to post what I thought about Star Trek Into Darkness here; but I figure there are people who probably want to see my take, so I'll post it anyway. Or, more accurately, cut-and-paste.

Make a note though: I do not have the time or energy to get into a prolonged argument. If someone wants to pick apart everything I posted point-by-point then bear in mind I will not get into it. I'm not interested.

I'm here to post what I thought about the film and that's all.

With that out of the way: as I said upthread, I thought the 2009 film was better.

The problems I have with Star Trek Into Darkness have to do with STID itself and not the reboot in general:

1. Why would Admiral Marcus need to revive Khan to figure out how to fight the Klingons? It would be like someone today reviving Napoleon to figure out how to fight the North Koreans. Second of all, Starfleet has had 100 years to prepare for the Klingons by this point. The two sides have always been portrayed as powers of equal strength. The Klingons are a threat, but they're not an overwhelming one. Humanity also seems savage and primitive enough that they don't need Khan's insights. The humans in the Abrams films, unlike the Roddenberry series, would fit right into today's world.

2. Khan would never allow himself to become a pawn of Starfleet or Section 31. He'd never save Kirk from the Klingons. And he's not really that ruthless in this film. He should've killed Kirk right before beaming his corpse back to the Enterprise or fatally wounded him at least so he'd be dying and in as much pain as possible even as he intended to destroy the Enterprise. He does horrible things but he himself doesn't act villainous enough. The original Khan, as well as Kruge in "Star Trek III: The Search for Spock", were much more black-hatted, which is what Khan should be.

3. The movie was supposed to show Kirk becoming more mature and growing into an adult. When he's repeatedly punching Khan, he's acting like a 15-year-old. When he constantly turns his head whenever a woman walks by, he's acting like a 14-year-old. When he's having a threesome, it's like a teenage boy's fantasy. I see nothing in the film that shows he became more mature. All I see is a kid who had a bad experience and a rough mission, then made a good speech at the end. He's not an adult. He's still reckless. He's still immature. I don't think this is the type of Captain you want to send out on a five-year mission into the unknown. Is this who the Admiralty wants representing the Federation? The only rationale I can think of is to get Kirk out of the way. It would make more sense to have him in Federation space, thinking outside the box to solve unconventional local problems where he can be of help and they can keep an eye on him.

4. Spock is much too emotional. Spock shouldn't be yelling "KHAAAANNN!!!" and going crazy while fighting him. Spock shouldn't be jealous when Dr. Marcus is assigned as Science Officer and, yes, he was jealous. Spock wouldn't give Pike lip.

5. The treatment of Doctor Marcus is extremely sexist. She undresses while Kirk is in the same room and the only reason is to show a shot of her in her underwear. When she screams after Admiral Marcus is killed, it's like something from out of a '50s B-movie. They can't even stay away from the sex jokes while McCoy is down with her while they perform "surgery" on the torpedo.

6. Why would Khan's blood restore anything to life? They don't even try to explain it. It's just magic blood that can somehow reanimate every cell in your body. On a side-note: does that mean Khan could be immortal?

7. There's an entire ethical dilemma that's not even touched upon. Now that the location of the Botany Bay is known, should these escaped supermen and superwomen stand trial? I'm surprised they were all just left in suspended animation but that could've been mitigated if there was at least a discussion about what should be done with them.

8. There's absolutely no comparison between the scene when Spock was dying in "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" and the reverse scene in "Star Trek Into Darkness".

9. When Spock is fighting Khan on Earth, it feels more like "The Matrix" than "Star Trek". And why just beam down Uhura to let Spock know not to kill Khan? Maybe Uhura is the only one who can get through to Spock quickly enough but she's Communications Officer. There should be at least one Security Officer as well.

10. Why would that officer toward the beginning of "Into Darkness" blow up a building just because Khan/Harrison saved his daughter? Seems like an extreme thing to agree to.

11. Starfleet has sensors, ships in orbit have sensors, spacedock has sensors. Why did it take Kirk to figure out that "Harrison" was about to attack where the briefing was being held?

12. This is last because I realized as I was watching that this was the least of the film's problems: if you're going to cast someone to play Khan, it should either be a Hispanic actor, like Ricardo Montalban was, or an Indian. The fact that a 1967 episode and a 1982 film are more diverse than a 2013 film is inexcusable. This is not to slight Benedict Cumberbatch but I think he was miscast, unless they had him just be John Harrison. On that note: I understand that Khan went by a false identity but, if you're going to have the false identity, why not go the rest of the way and have McCoy or Khan himself mention that he was surgically altered?

Fin.

Versus my thoughts on Section 31 yesterday.

Star Trek: Section 31

There's no way to say it other than to say it: What the fuck was that?

I spent seven years defending Discovery across five seasons. I'm a Hardcore Disco Fan. Just to be totally clear. I was notorious for it in fact. I'm also a staunch defender of Georgiou and have been intrigued by Section 31 since 1998, when DS9 was on.

I wanted the Section 31 series, but I can tell you this is NOT what I had in mind. I basically wanted "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" as a TV series. That's what I wanted. Not this.

What was not the problem? The list for that is shorter: Georgiou, Alok, and Garrett aren't the problem. Quasi wasn't a problem either, as comic relief. All four of them would be fine in a better story. The set for Georgiou's establishment looks beautiful.

What was the problem? All the other characters, the story if you want to call it that, and the weird tangents of dialogue some of the characters would go off on. Not to mention story elements that super don't make sense.

I said I'd give a quick review and then a more in-depth review, but forget it. This is the only review. Out of all the things they could've done, I can't believe this is the story they would choose for a TV Movie.

How do I rate it? It's a loss but, like I said, it's not a total loss. I give it a 3.

Actions speak louder than words, and I'd say I took more effort to go into what I thought about Into Darkness. And I didn't say, "What the fuck was that?"

At the same time, I had less of a problem with the lead characters in Section 31 than I did Into Darkness. That's critical. I could also keep up with the action that was going on in Section 31, stupid as I thought it was. In Into Darkness it got to be Michael Bay level at times. On the other hand, the main villain in Into Darkness was better. So better leads versus a better villain. It's a tough one, maybe I'll go with better leads because the whole White Khan thing still annoys me, as great as Benedict Cumberbatch's acting was.

Which movie do I think is worse? I don't know. I have to think about it some more. More to say about ID means I had more complain about and felt more negativity towards it. As opposed to just shock with S31. I think maybe I might like S31 better. Maybe. Definitely not concrete yet. But it's absolutely down to those two for my least favorite.
 
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and demands for literal remasters of decades old material
When did SarcasticVulcan demand it? ...also, what is a literal remaster? ;)

instead of a calm assessment of what worked, what didn't, and notes on how to do better next time.
Are the high-ups on the lookout for calm assessments and breakdowns so as to alter any future work?
 
I saw the emojis. I saw the (self-censored) swear word.

How does any of that constitute them demanding a literal remaster?
It's a textbook example of the over-the-top hatred that I pointed out. That combined with the request for remasters shows that they're not asking the producers nicely.

If you still can't see that, then I don't know what else to tell you. I'm done with this back and forth with you.
 
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