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Thought this video was really well done and inspiring. And FWIW, they do realize they made a mistake in referring to us a Melting pot rather than a Mosaic and they ackowledge this in the comments to the video.

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I’ve only watched the first 30 seconds or so (short on time, but will watch the rest later), but they said they want to refute what most Americans believe: that we want to join the US. But… do most Americans actually think we want to do that? I haven’t really heard of Americans generally holding that belief.

And... wow. Freeland resigned from cabinet. Gotta wonder what happened there

What a disaster. My understanding is Trudeau told her he wanted to move her out of Finance, and offered her another cabinet position instead. (I haven’t heard what the other position might have been.) So instead she resigned from cabinet altogether.

I know I’ve said it before, but Trudeau needs to resign now. Freeland basically got us through Trump round 1, and honestly I’d rather have her in charge than Trudeau anyway.

All we can hope is that the Reformacons get rid of PP before the government falls, if they realize that PP is no more suitable to represent Canada on the international stage than he is to represent their own party within Canada.

Unfortunately that’s not going to happen, they’re looking at the polls and only see Poilievre as their ticket into power. And all of us will pay the price when the inevitable happens.
 
What a disaster. My understanding is Trudeau told her he wanted to move her out of Finance, and offered her another cabinet position instead. (I haven’t heard what the other position might have been.) So instead she resigned from cabinet altogether.

shades of jane philpot but she was offered indigenous affairs where should have done something important (dismantle the Indian Act was mentioned in the media at the time).

I know I’ve said it before, but Trudeau needs to resign now. Freeland basically got us through Trump round 1, and honestly I’d rather have her in charge than Trudeau anyway.

only person who doesn't think that trudeau should go it is trudeau.

In both Australia and the U.K the partiess have mechanisms to get rid of unpopular leader and we need something like that hear.

On Global News tonight, they speculated on what the trudeau's actions would be with one option is to resign but prorogue parliament on his way out the door to return once the new leader and thus P.m has been chosen.

I don't know if a new leader would save the govt but it could put a big dent on poiliervre's chance for a massive majority (known in some parts as saving the furniture).
 
but they said they want to refute what most Americans believe: that we want to join the US. But… do most Americans actually think we want to do that? I haven’t really heard of Americans generally holding that belief.

I've come across a few in my time online. I wouldn't say it's too widespread, but it does exist, and it comes down to a lack of respect in us having our own distinct culture, and in thinking we need saving. It became a prevalent sentiment during the blockade in Ottawa a few years ago.
 
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I’ve only watched the first 30 seconds or so (short on time, but will watch the rest later), but they said they want to refute what most Americans believe: that we want to join the US. But… do most Americans actually think we want to do that? I haven’t really heard of Americans generally holding that belief.
Some do.

My YouTube feed has basically exploded with this, and most of what I watch there these days are medieval history, cruise videos, and an American guy named Tyler who does reaction videos to do with Canadian culture, history, news/politics, and stupid internet memes. But suddenly I'm getting a whack of news clips and some channel called The Meidas Touch (or something like that) that has Americans talking about what Trump said to Justin, and that they think it's awful.

The Americans who think we should become a state tend to turn up in the comments. The flip side is that there are other Americans who are cheering us on.

Charlie Angus has become a hero to some of these Americans, for what he said about Trump:

(sorry if any ads turn up; just fast forward past them, because Charlie Angus' speech is EXCELLENT - I don't think even Jack Layton could have said it better.)

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What a disaster. My understanding is Trudeau told her he wanted to move her out of Finance, and offered her another cabinet position instead. (I haven’t heard what the other position might have been.) So instead she resigned from cabinet altogether.

I know I’ve said it before, but Trudeau needs to resign now. Freeland basically got us through Trump round 1, and honestly I’d rather have her in charge than Trudeau anyway.

Freeland doesn't go off on irrelevant emotional tangents, and she doesn't have a record of diplomatic faux pas that Trudeau does. Trudeau needs to take that long walk in the snow - Ottawa must have some by now. He should have resigned a year ago.

Unfortunately that’s not going to happen, they’re looking at the polls and only see Poilievre as their ticket into power. And all of us will pay the price when the inevitable happens.

And the bat-shit crazy sociopath we have running Alberta just can't wait to scamper down to Washington for the inauguration, hoping for a pat on the head from Trump. She's not backing the other premiers. It's a bizarre day in Canada when Doug Ford looks like a statesman and our own premier yaps on that of course Alberta will send the U.S. anything they want in terms of power and resources.

shades of jane philpot but she was offered indigenous affairs where should have done something important (dismantle the Indian Act was mentioned in the media at the time).



only person who doesn't think that trudeau should go it is trudeau.

In both Australia and the U.K the partiess have mechanisms to get rid of unpopular leader and we need something like that hear.

On Global News tonight, they speculated on what the trudeau's actions would be with one option is to resign but prorogue parliament on his way out the door to return once the new leader and thus P.m has been chosen.

I don't know if a new leader would save the govt but it could put a big dent on poiliervre's chance for a massive majority (known in some parts as saving the furniture).

Ah, yes. The Jody and Jane Show that the right-wingers are still ranting about, as though they actually give a damn about how women Liberals are treated. Those two did their best to undermine Trudeau, and he gave them chance after chance after chance - many more chances than he'd have given anyone else.

With shenanigans like that, it doesn't matter what party it is - when you're a party leader and two of your more prominent cabinet ministers shoot their mouths off and try to undermine you, you kick them out of cabinet. I would expect that of any leader, no matter what party it was.

If Jody and Jane had been men, the Reformacons wouldn't have said a word. They just wanted to throw Trudeau's gender-balanced, "because it's 2015" cabinet in his face.

Proroguing Parliament is a legal move, but it opens the Liberals up to accusations of hypocrisy, given how they (rightfully) raked Harper over the coals for that. I wonder if Mary Simon would go for it. I lost all respect for Michaelle Jean when she let Harper get away with that BS. She should have said no.

But then Mary Simon got a cushy job out of this even though she doesn't have one of the main qualifications for it (she still can't speak French, from what I've heard). She might go along with proroguing for that reason.

Question: What does "saving the furniture" mean?

I've come across a few in my time online. I wouldn't say it's too widespread, but it does exist, and it comes down to a lack of respect in us having our own distinct culture, and in thinking we need saving. It became a prevalent sentiment during the blockade in Ottawa a few years ago.

If you want to feel like throwing up your supper, go read some of Danielle Smith's stuff on her FB page. Between her and her sycophants, Alberta is infested with right-wing separatists and American wannabes.

It's so frustrating to be accused of being like them just because I was born, raised, and still live in Alberta. I've never voted right-wing in my life.
 
(sorry if any ads turn up; just fast forward past them, because Charlie Angus' speech is EXCELLENT - I don't think even Jack Layton could have said it better.)

Oh, I agree, Charlie Angus' speech is a great impassioned speech, and I feel like he says what most Canadians were thinking.

If you want to feel like throwing up your supper, go read some of Danielle Smith's stuff on her FB page. Between her and her sycophants, Alberta is infested with right-wing separatists and American wannabes.

I want to keep my supper, thanks :D

But I do understand your frustration, because in general it's a super frustrating position to be in, and I don't wish it for anybody.
 
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If Canada became the 51st American state, I think I would move to Britain or somewhere.
I might have agreed... but I just came from a British FB page dedicated to the Tudors/Royal Family and there are a few dozen people there, screeching in outrage because Harry and Meghan dared to say "Happy Holidays" on their Christmas card instead of "Happy Christmas", and because they don't parade their children around in photos the way that William and Kate do with their own kids. None of these people (the commenters) seem to understand that there are many different holidays celebrated around the world between November and mid-January.

I joined that group for the history, but there's not much of that anymore. It's become really toxic, just like a North American right-wing hate group.
 
Yes, I kind of have to agree, in many ways the UK has just as many problems as the US does anymore. (Not to say that we don't have our own problems here, because we certainly do.)

Hopefully the situation will just never come to pass, so we don't have to worry about figuring where we would move to.

In other news, Canada Post is back on the job tomorrow... and they've already told us not to expect things to arrive where they're going before Christmas.
 
Oh, well. I can still finally order my Christmas present to myself, and if it doesn't get here until Easter, oh well. As long as it gets here and the driver doesn't shove one of those "I can't be bothered to do my job, so go get it yourself" cards in my mailbox.
 
I might have agreed... but I just came from a British FB page dedicated to the Tudors/Royal Family and there are a few dozen people there, screeching in outrage because Harry and Meghan dared to say "Happy Holidays" on their Christmas card instead of "Happy Christmas", and because they don't parade their children around in photos the way that William and Kate do with their own kids. None of these people (the commenters) seem to understand that there are many different holidays celebrated around the world between November and mid-January.

I joined that group for the history, but there's not much of that anymore. It's become really toxic, just like a North American right-wing hate group.
Oh dear.

My point being, I do not ever want to live in a Canada that has become the 51st US state.
 
Neither do I. It's just that I'm discovering that England has its share of BS!C people. The latest thing is that apparently Meghan and Harry never had children, and the kids that are supposedly theirs come from some child rental place and are used for family photos.

Either that, or every single family photo up to and including Charles and Camilla is created through AI.

The people in that group are stark-raving insane.
 
well I guess it will be a federal election early next year.

singh has said the ndp will vote do bring down the government.


well done trudeau.

your arrogance and incompetence will bring down your government and do massive damage to your party and give us pierre poilievre as the next p.m with a massive majority.

Thanks.a.fucking.lot.
 
well I guess it will be a federal election early next year.

singh has said the ndp will vote do bring down the government.


well done trudeau.

your arrogance and incompetence will bring down your government and do massive damage to your party and give us pierre poilievre as the next p.m with a massive majority.

Thanks.a.fucking.lot.
Thank God. I'm no fan of Poilievre or the Conservatives, but the writing has been on the wall for both Trudeau and the Liberals for at least the last year. The Conservatives are going to win. By a lot! Nothing can stop that at this point. Trudeau's ego has seen to that. Let's just get it over with! The sooner we start our 10 years of Conservative rule, the sooner we'll be out of it.
 
Thank God. I'm no fan of Poilievre or the Conservatives, but the writing has been on the wall for both Trudeau and the Liberals for at least the last year. The Conservatives are going to win. By a lot! Nothing can stop that at this point. Trudeau's ego has seen to that. Let's just get it over with! The sooner we start our 10 years of Conservative rule, the sooner we'll be out of it.

trudeau could have resigned and mitigated some of the damage rather than accelerate off the cliff and take everyone with him.
 
Well, at least the NDP has a shot at being Official Opposition again, unless Quebec swings massively to the Bloc. There's no extra right-wing party to split the vote, like there was in 1993 when we had a similar situation.
 
Thank God.

Kind of the opposite to my reaction.

I'm no fan of Poilievre or the Conservatives, but the writing has been on the wall for both Trudeau and the Liberals for at least the last year. The Conservatives are going to win. By a lot! Nothing can stop that at this point. Trudeau's ego has seen to that. Let's just get it over with! The sooner we start our 10 years of Conservative rule, the sooner we'll be out of it.

I'm not really a fan of Trudeau at this point, but I prefer him much, much more than Poilievre. My hope has always been that this government could limp along until the mandatory election next fall, under the premise that the more people see of Poilievre, the more they would realize he'd be an awful prime minister, and maybe, possibly, holding them to a minority in the next election.

Forcing an election now just hands the CPC the keys to the country with a huge majority.

I agree with @Marc that Trudeau should have resigned sometime last year, handing over the party to someone who maybe wasn't as universally despised, and again, maybe limiting the Conservative victory to a minority. But thanks to his lack of self-awareness, he's probably condemning his party to a similar routing to what the Ontario Liberals had a few years ago.

Well, at least the NDP has a shot at being Official Opposition again, unless Quebec swings massively to the Bloc.

Kind of dumb to give up their balance of power with a party that they generally agree with, to exchange it for being an irrelevant opposition under a majority government that opposes everything they stand for.

Unless this is some kind of ploy to force Trudeau's hand to resign. Maybe they say they'll vote against the Trudeau Liberals, but would be willing to support the Liberals under a different leader. I have no idea if that's what they're thinking, though.
 
sounds like poilievre really should do some reading.

he's calling on the governor-general to recall the commons so they can have a vote of non-confidence (though I'm more used to it being no confidence).

except the governor-general can't recall the commons - the power is the purview of the speaker of the house and if Canada is similar to Australia, by convention the g-g acts on the advice of the P.M not the leader of the opposition.

if trudeau gets the parliament prorogued I wonder if tories will forget that harper did the same thing in 2008 when in a similar position.
 
Kind of dumb to give up their balance of power with a party that they generally agree with, to exchange it for being an irrelevant opposition under a majority government that opposes everything they stand for.

Unless this is some kind of ploy to force Trudeau's hand to resign. Maybe they say they'll vote against the Trudeau Liberals, but would be willing to support the Liberals under a different leader. I have no idea if that's what they're thinking, though.
the ndp are saying it doens't matter who is leading the liberals.

but yes they'll be rendered irrelevant and the programs they've pushed for - pharmacare and dental care will go.

and when the carbon tax goes, people will get a shock. they won't see prices drop and they won't be getting the rebates.

my wife and I don't drive so the carbon tax we pay is just on what we buy but the ct rebates are worth $800 a year to us but I doubt we'll prices drop by anywhere near that.

the and oil companies will continue to screw us.

a poster on subreddit for my city said they paying more in CT than the rebates - but they were driving a truck and unless you need it for work then it's person choice and you have to bear the conseqeunces - and the oil companies will jack their prices in the summer.
 
I agree with @Marc that Trudeau should have resigned sometime last year, handing over the party to someone who maybe wasn't as universally despised, and again, maybe limiting the Conservative victory to a minority. But thanks to his lack of self-awareness, he's probably condemning his party to a similar routing to what the Ontario Liberals had a few years ago.
He's condemning his party to a 1993 scenario, just in reverse. The PCs went from a huge majority down to TWO people. It gave my dad a laugh, though, as he pointed out that at least the caucus was now gender-balanced at one man and one woman. They couldn't quite hold caucus meetings in a phone booth (Charest being a bit rotund at the time), but close.

Mind you, we don't have that extra right-wing party to split the Conservative vote this time, and more independents and fringe parties ran. I had a choice of 7 candidates in my riding, and ended up supporting one of the fringes (you could run a piece of literal sh!t in this riding under the conservative banner and it would be elected).

Kind of dumb to give up their balance of power with a party that they generally agree with, to exchange it for being an irrelevant opposition under a majority government that opposes everything they stand for.

Unless this is some kind of ploy to force Trudeau's hand to resign. Maybe they say they'll vote against the Trudeau Liberals, but would be willing to support the Liberals under a different leader. I have no idea if that's what they're thinking, though.
If Trudeau hasn't taken that walk in the snow yet, I wonder how much he really cares about that. A realistic leader would have stepped down a year ago, to give them a chance to find another leader.

Trudeau is in the same situation now that Brian Mulroney was in back in 1993, and should have been self-aware enough to realize it. Maybe he thinks that holding on to the leadership makes him a little better than Mulroney? After all, Lyin' Brian did scuttle off to leave his successor to face the voters instead of facing them himself. So he got his pension and Kim Campbell didn't even have time to move into 24 Sussex before she had to call the election.

sounds like poilievre really should do some reading.

he's calling on the governor-general to recall the commons so they can have a vote of non-confidence (though I'm more used to it being no confidence).

except the governor-general can't recall the commons - the power is the purview of the speaker of the house and if Canada is similar to Australia, by convention the g-g acts on the advice of the P.M not the leader of the opposition.

if trudeau gets the parliament prorogued I wonder if tories will forget that harper did the same thing in 2008 when in a similar position.
Poilievre has the same lack of knowledge that the Freedumb Convoy truckers had about how Parliament functions. But try to explain it to any of them and their supporters, and you get called names, accused of being Liberal (even though the Liberal party is basically extinct provincially here, and on life support federally).

I tell them that I can walk and chew gum politically, and it's entirely possible to have more than one choice for a candidate even without the Liberals and Reformacons.

And yeah, the CPC supporters don't like to be reminded that Harper prorogued Parliament. I mentioned this on a YT news channel and one guy promptly got snippy and demanded that I explain "What exactly do you mean by that statement." He claimed he didn't know what "GG" meant and then ranted about my sentence structure.

At least he admitted he was too young to remember much about Harper. So I explained what "GG" means and advised him to educate himself.

the ndp are saying it doens't matter who is leading the liberals.

but yes they'll be rendered irrelevant and the programs they've pushed for - pharmacare and dental care will go.

and when the carbon tax goes, people will get a shock. they won't see prices drop and they won't be getting the rebates.

my wife and I don't drive so the carbon tax we pay is just on what we buy but the ct rebates are worth $800 a year to us but I doubt we'll prices drop by anywhere near that.

the and oil companies will continue to screw us.

a poster on subreddit for my city said they paying more in CT than the rebates - but they were driving a truck and unless you need it for work then it's person choice and you have to bear the conseqeunces - and the oil companies will jack their prices in the summer.

The carbon tax rebate is why I'll get to have more groceries next month than usual and can stock up a little on some things. And Alberta was never going to benefit under the health care programs promised by the Liberals because Danielle Smith and her minister of health lapdog Adriana LaGrange piped up and said, "Mr. Trudeau, Albertans don't want this. Just give us the money."

So they don't even give a damn about the diabetics, and of course most of the cabinet here is made up of "pro-life" (anti-choice, really) zealots who see nothing wrong with making it difficult to access birth control, abortion and other reproductive health services.

There's a MAID survey that's still doable for the next 2 hours, and of course it's skewed and doesn't have a place for comments. Mine's probably going to be tossed since I didn't answer the questions in a way that they would like.

One of my aunts used MAID a couple of months ago.
 
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