Spoilers ST Lower Decks - Starships & Technology Season 5 Discussion

[Kamen Rider Blade]

However, the turbolift tube that they used when it was landed looked like the ship was scaled to of the smaller (existing) possible sizes of the Defiant, maybe three decks or so.

Could this be a joke? The ship's size has always been inconsistent, so have one shot where it's tiny, and the deck chart say it's enormous?

The Defiant scaling size has always been an issue.

It's either 100 m, 120 m, or 170 m long depending on the source.

Well, can we scale the elevator door (which would be at least as high as a person) to the rest of the ship on the planet’s surface?

Maybe there's a special feature where the main "Turbo Lift" deploys to the outside floor when the Defiant is landed on a planet?

And they have a special tube that pops out that holds the "Turbo Lift" cab.

 

[blssdwlf]

However, the turbolift tube that they used when it was landed looked like the ship was scaled to one of the smaller (existing) possible sizes of the Defiant, maybe three decks or so.

Could this be a joke? The ship's size has always been inconsistent, so have one shot where it's tiny, and the deck chart say it's enormous?

Here is a screencap of the turbolift where you can see a bit of the bottom of the ship to help with sizing. The turbolift looks larger than average given the number of people they were able to fit into it.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

We SORTA have the same thing on the USS Protostar's one lift. It's a bigger than average turbolift car, and also seems to have three doors and only goes up and down. On the Protostar it's more for accessibility (as that ship has visible stairs everywhere) but like the Prolapsicandor it's more specialized than the average lift.

On the only other large starship we've seen land, Voyager doesn't seem to have a comparable lift, though Rick Sternbach designed a ladder system on the landing legs, which we never saw used for budgetary reasons - everyone was just magically already on the surface after landing. I wonder if that's how people got aboard her during her time as a museum on Earth?

Mark

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Following up on 4x08:

- The senior staff have a morning meeting, but neither of the newly-minted SSOs are present. I can chalk this up to the writing staff not being fully aware of this (as well as not drawing focus from the more senior senior staff), but it's an omission nonetheless.

- There's at least three things happening on the Cerritos this episode that warrant a red alert, but it happens so quickly or are managed so poorly that it isn't even a blip for the lower deckers. The nature of this show is such that weird missions are happening to the crew all the time, but invasion by a hostile force should warrant at least yellow alert. Especially if they had a flag officer on board, even if he was there on the down low!

- I think the Delta Shifters are using the same handheld tractor beam wand doodad that Ens. Olly was playing with earlier this season. Have there been any other iterations of the tech between this and Wes Crusher's drunken science experiment almost twenty years prior?

- Ensign Barnes is adept at the use of the tactical sousaphone, which fires beams from both the mouthpiece and bell. Despite the lack of ANY explanation for why a sousaphone is also an advanced energy weapon, the beams themselves are identical to those used by the Clickets. IMO the whole thing is a symptom of Barnes' de/evolution and could be a psychokinetic artifact based on what she was seeing.

- Bynar + Starfleet tech equals an emotionally sensitive defense golem? Does Starfleet have OTHER defense golems? Or is it because Billups comes from a D&D world and programmed the program to match?

- USS Manticore is arguably the coolest name for an Oberth-class starship, almost all of which are named for people.

Mark

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

- I think the Delta Shifters are using the same handheld tractor beam wand doodad that Ens. Olly was playing with earlier this season. Have there been any other iterations of the tech between this and Wes Crusher's drunken science experiment almost twenty years prior?

Not that I've seen, but hand-held portable Tractor Beam emitters should be more common, it would allow normal people to lift up large massive objects with ease.

That would solve ALOT of basic issues with moving things around.

- USS Manticore is arguably the coolest name for an Oberth-class starship, almost all of which are named for people.

That feels like a mis-match in name to Ship class. That should've gone to a Sovereign Class IMO, or something more fearsome than the Oberth Class.

 

[B.J.]

- Ensign Barnes is adept at the use of the tactical sousaphone, which fires beams from both the mouthpiece and bell. Despite the lack of ANY explanation for why a sousaphone is also an advanced energy weapon, the beams themselves are identical to those used by the Clickets. IMO the whole thing is a symptom of Barnes' de/evolution and could be a psychokinetic artifact based on what she was seeing.

I may be wrong, but my interpretation was that she was using the sousa to redirect the Clickets' weapon fire, using the bell to "catch" the beam and the mouthpiece to fire it back.

 

[Dukhat]

That feels like a mis-match in name to Ship class. That should've gone to a Sovereign Class IMO, or something more fearsome than the Oberth Class.

Agreed. An Oberth class science ship would not be my first choice for ‘party central.’

 

[Unicron]

They need to scare away any enemies that could kill them with a single torpedo.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Hey, man, that was a lucky shot!

 

[NCC-73515]

qamapu' jonta' neH! Ha'DIbaH!

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

I may be wrong, but my interpretation was that she was using the sousa to redirect the Clickets' weapon fire, using the bell to "catch" the beam and the mouthpiece to fire it back.

Yes, upon freeze framing, it looks like your thing makes more sense in one way, and yet still a whole lot less sense in another. But I accept this!

Mark

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

They need to scare away any enemies that could kill them with a single torpedo.

Names don't scare enemies.

Lots of Quantum Torpedoes up the arse is what scares them.

 

[NCC-73515]

A Terran Cerritos with Sov nacelles...

...and a Sov Cerritos with Cali nacelles (and no front transporter emitters)

 

[David cgc]

I noticed a little continuity error, since I was on the lookout for any context for the Gold Cerritos; Cet-Ops turned Terran a scene before the ship did (I guess the scene was probably moved in editing and no one noticed the floor decal in the background).

I had thought they'd retconned the Freedom-class design, or maybe established a pre-fit version that was upgraded to the Galaxy-family version we saw before, but based on the Sovereign-Cerritos, it looks like the parallel universe versions didn't necessarily match one-to-one with the prime ones.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

They don’t. But OTOH a refit Freedom could easily have been made at some point and kept the same class designation.

And hey, the Enterprise-E cameo here confirms that the ship had been refit back to its pre-Nemesis configuration. I’m sure it was a simple reuse of the Wayfarer model from a while back but without the extra bits and reformed neck portion and pylons. This puts things in line with the ship’s eventual (though still questionable) appearance(s) in Prodigy a while from now.

Mark

 

[David cgc]

I’d say the Enterprise-E changes are more of a 6-foot/4-foot model thing than an in-universe refit. In INS, the -E fires torpedos from launchers they don’t appear until the NEM model, the PIC/STO model incorporates the nacelle-strut phasers from the NEM version even though the overall lines are the FC model, all of which tells me these are aesthetic art-style changes and not in-universe variations.

At least until the day we have a shot with a NEM and FC Sovereign flying side-by-side.

 

[Tuskin38]

Cet-Ops turned Terran a scene before the ship did

Hm? No it didn't. The displays all had the Cali-Style Freedom Class on it and there were no terran symbols in the room.

Are you referring to all the yellow in the room? They changed into a Freedom Class twice, the second time added a bunch of yellow to the exterior and interior, that's what you were seeing. The scene right before it in the Hallway with Tendi, Rutherford and T'Tyn also had a bunch of yellow.

Speaking of the Terran Cerritos however, it had some kitbashed parts. The Sovereign style nacelles as mentioned before, but the weapons pod on the saucer appeared to be from the Lune Class, and she had Warship Voyager style fins on the Nacelles.

There was also a weapons pod on the Engineering pod, that may have also been from the Luna Class, not sure.

The Cali-Miranda MSD, the weapons pod on there uses detail's from the Cali Classes Engineering pod.

 

[Markonian]

Urgh, I hate that every property forgets the Enterprise-E was bright/white in FC and dark/grey in INS and NEM, leading to Sovvies reverting to the boring white version all the time. The ship underwent a refit in 2379, darn it!

 

[Tuskin38]

The ship underwent a refit in 2379, darn it!

Not in canon.

The design used at the end of Nemesis was the same as was in the rest of the movie. Eaves made concept art for it (which is what STO used), but it wasn't used in the movie. Guessing for budget reasons idk.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Given what we saw, do you think Single Nacelle StarShips are worth developing when you could easily have a Warp Ring in it's place?

We all know that Dual Nacelles allows alot more manueverability at Warp Speeds than the Warp Ring at High Warp Speeds.

But what about Single Nacelles, are they worth the trouble vs the benefits of a Warp Ring?

Single Nacelles are logistically simpler to maintain.

But Warp Rings are supposed 17% more Energy Efficient than a equivalent Dual Parallel Warp Nacelle, while allowing similar, if not faster speeds.