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It’s a nice counter, but in truth most fictional universes use ‘our world’ as a touchstone. Marvel Comics do, Doctor Who does, Stranger Things, Ghostbusters, Columbo, Friends… all of them take place in worlds which bear a 99% similarity to our own.

99%. It’s just not necessary to go that extra 1% to make it ‘our’ world because… it’s not. Edith Keeler never existed, Mark Twain never hung out with Data and you can bet Vulcan’s won’t be making First Contact some years down the line. It’s all fiction and I’m fine with that.

Star Trek isn’t reality. Attempts to make it align as such are utterly futile and completely needless.
Of course they do. That's part of what makes them relatable.

Edith exists in an identifiable 1930s America. Captain Christopher exists in an identifiable 1960s. Rain Robinson exists in an identifiable 1990s America. Which is the point. Mixing the real with the fictional doesn't negate Star Trek's 20th and 21st history more or less matching our own. No one is asking or expecting 100 %

It's no more futile in Star Trek than it is in Stranger Things, Ghostbusters, Columbo or Friends.
 
If I intentionally go looking for it, sure I'm able to find it easily.

But most news is fed via YouTube & their Algorithms.

If I care for it, I'll delve more into it; otherwise I'm searching for what's on my subscription list most of the time.
So the "lack of international news in America" is a you problem and not a news problem.
 
So the "lack of international news in America" is a you problem and not a news problem.
Depends, most of the news most people consume is online and from places like YouTube / Social Media.

If people want to seek news or have it fed to them, it'll be fed.

Otherwise, it's scatter shot.
 
Controversial Opinion

Star Trek history is not our history, there’s no requirement for it be so and continued attempts to make it so actively weaken the verisimilitude of the Star Trek universe itself.
I agree. I think it would be better if the powers that be just went with the position that acknowledges the reality; it's fiction. Star Trek exists in a fictional universe and the events in that fictional universe are similar, but not our history ... unless you really believe the Vulcans gave us velcro instead of the Swiss engineer who actually came up with it, or NASA was shooting nuclear weapon platforms into orbit in the 1960s.

There's scores of other works, both in the science-fiction and speculative-fiction genres, that are significant commentaries on the human condition which don't align with our real-world timeline. The fact these stories are in a setting not exactly like our world doesn't make the themes in those story any less relevant, the warnings any less powerful, or limit the ability of them to make people think and be inspired by what they're saying about issues, people, and society.
Controversial opinion: While history in the Trek universe can be fun to speculate and argue over, in the end it does not matter. Any Trek show is about what’s happening now in the actual story. Pretending too hard that it’s “supposed to be an alternate universe!” is just as silly as pretending too hard that it’s “the real actual future!”, because neither is true. The Wrath of Khan is about Kirk and Spock et al and what they’ll do for each other; it’s not about The Fact That Khan Left Earth In 1996. That stuff’s just trivia. It’s the same reason the various X-isn’t-canon people completely miss the point: any of these stories is about the story, not the color of the toothpaste.
I would have no problem with this position *IF* the people in charge didn't insist this is one comprehensive continuity.

My problem is that if you're going to make a point of saying this all happens within the same timeline, which is basically all of the series and movies being multiple different stories patched together as a huge saga stretching across roughly a thousand years, I think at the very least it has to be internally consistent if that's your position. It would be like reading a book series where the publisher insists they're all connected and getting to book#6 and the description of some characters and events that happened back in book#2 doesn't match.

Otherwise, just say this is a Star Trek story, and it either exists in its own continuity or its up to the viewer to decide whether or how it fits in continuity. I mean other series have done that. The West Wing famously had an episode after the 9/11 attacks where they specifically tell the audience in the intro of the episode it doesn't exactly fit within the continuity of the series, but it's a story they wanted to tell in that setting and it doesn't really matter where it's supposed to fit in their timeline.

I have no problem with your position that these are the stories the people involved want to tell, and we (as the audience) can just roll with what they're trying to do on their own terms, while not getting bogged down in details. But I think that position requires a floating definition of continuity which allows for some of the shows to be off in their own separate spaces from the others that Kurtzman, Goldsman, Paramount and some fans don't want to acknowledge.
 
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This seems oddly relevant.

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I’d forgotten how philosophical and introspective that show was. Yes it was on a shoestring budget with sets made of cardboard and low-poly CG effects rendered in Toast on an Amiga but damn some of that shit was deep. G’Kar’s musing about the ant was another good one. “Do you think it knows we’re here?”
 
Marvel can have a Multiverse, DC Comics can have it's Multiverse.

Why can't Star Trek have it's own Multiverse and everybody be ok with it?
It's not necessary and it would have a negative impact on the characters.

Uhura from TOS is improved as a character by having Uhura from SNW in her past. Same can be said of every other legacy character.

Separating characters into different timelines does nothing but deminish their individual stories, while also enabling certain elements of the fandom who view certain productions as being less than.
 
It's not necessary and it would have a negative impact on the characters.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on your interpretation.

Uhura from TOS is improved as a character by having Uhura from SNW in her past. Same can be said of every other legacy character.
Uhura will be equally beloved, no matter what happens in SNW / TOS.
Doesn't matter if it's the exact same timeline, or a slighlty different one.
Even the JJ-verse Uhura is beloved.
Same with the Novel-verse interpretations of her character.
She's a sacred character.

Separating characters into different timelines does nothing but deminish their individual stories, while also enabling certain elements of the fandom who view certain productions as being less than.
They were going to do that, no matter what. You have no control over them and how they interpret things.
 
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We got 38 years before that becomes an issue. And since I'll be 78 years old in April 2063, I suspect I'll have more pressing concerns to deal with.
Same!
I'll just be glad to make it to 78 years old.
And same.
OTOH, another solution would be to stop talking about the 21st century!
That would work. I think we've painted a pretty picture of what it'll be like...enough to argue until the 22nd century. I miss the ancient west motif in Trek.
 
I can accept (if I have to) that Star Trek was describing a world conflict that left the geography of the United States untouched.

But let's also accept that any conflict big enough that would be labeled as "World War III" two or three centuries later would be getting "coverage" an order of magnitude higher than any coverage of the conflicts in Ukraine or the Middle East currently. (Which I, personally, see a lot of. And I avoid televised news like the plague. And measles. And mayonnaise.)

The function of the story (I swear I've said this before) is that there is a global, catastrophic, and possibly / probably nuclear conflict closer to Kirk's time than to ours. (Which always seemed like a weird thing to add to your hopeful and optimistic parable of the future.) So as long as you keep that roughly in those terms you are fine. With or without Romulan time travelers.

Good grief, if only The Wrath of Khan had never said "1996". Also: STOP WORRYING ABOUT KHAN AND THE EUGENICS WARS. YES, I loved The Wrath of Khan. It's amazing. But I love Star Trek: The Motion Picture at least as much and have no worries about when did Voyager 6 launch.

Likewise the function of Arena is that it's a first contact story. So do what you want to around that so long as it stays a first contact story. --- Oops.
 
It has since "Mirror Mirror" back in the sixties. But there's a difference between having a multiverse that you visit and fracturing a franchise across the multiverse.
That has already started with the JJ-verse / Kelvin-verse.

It doesn't hurt to seperate the main "TimeLines" into a total of 3 or 4 Timelines that we deem as "Prime", or what we the audience are following.

The in-universe evidence already hints at that.
 
You know why it's important to me and many others that Star Trek is our future and not some parallel timeline? Because it gives me hope. Hope that someday, we'll be able to come together, to make it off this planet and find our way out into the stars. It gives people something to strive for. And I feel that's more important now than ever. If it's just meant to be a fantasy universe like Star Wars, it doesn't have near that same impact. How do I deal with inconsistencies? To steal a page from Doctor Who: Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey.
 
Star Trek isn't fantasy; it's an alternate history that nevertheless maintains many events from our history that either at least don't contradict Trek lore or can be seamlessly incorporated into it (e.g. a significant 21st century conflict TOS didn't know about can be explained as part of the world wars).
 
You know why it's important to me and many others that Star Trek is our future and not some parallel timeline? Because it gives me hope. Hope that someday, we'll be able to come together, to make it off this planet and find our way out into the stars. It gives people something to strive for. And I feel that's more important now than ever. If it's just meant to be a fantasy universe like Star Wars, it doesn't have near that same impact. How do I deal with inconsistencies? To steal a page from Doctor Who: Wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey.
We can still have hope, even w/o it being our timeline.

In fact I'd rather it NOT be our timeline given the number of deaths that happen during the Eugenics War, Second American Revolution, WW3.

So yeah, I'll have to agree to disagree.

I don't want a irradiated Planet Earth.

We can find ways of leaving this Planet, explore the stars, & colonize the Galaxy / Universe.

I want humanity to be so common, we appear everywhere like in Star Wars.
 
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