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Spoilers ST Lower Decks - Starships & Technology Season 5 Discussion

Alright! So, as promised, here are the diagrams I mentioned earlier. I don't want to spend too much more time on this side-quest, as we're in a thread about LDS S5 tech, but it is somewhat topical, considering the usage of fan-made art in recent official Trek productions, so here it goes.

Back in 1994, I did 3 sheets of 5 views of the TOS Galactica based on the 1978/79 Revellogram kit. In fact, I traced the top/bottom ortho outline first using the kit I built several years before. The sizes and metrics of the other views were keyed off the top/bottom view to keep everything in scale. Here is a photo of the original sheets I pencil-drew. Filled in the details by sitting in front of the TV with my VCR and NTSC tape of "Saga of a Star World" and went frame-by-frame to get as much of the details as I could. Used press-on letters for the typefacing - It was called "Microgramma", which is akin to the "Eurostile" font used for lettering on Starfleet ships. Putting the images in spoiler tags because they're kind of big.
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When I stood up my schematics site back in 1996/1997, I scanned in the sheets, cleaned them up and made a composite of all the images, splitting up the half-orthos and flipping them to provide a full image. Not accurate, obviously, as there were a lot of asymmetrical greebles attached to the original studio filming model. Added the faux-"copyright" notice to mark the starting date of the site. Also built a one-page, which I put on the site, which I'm pretty sure the NuBSG production used for their set pieces (note I didn't include the bottom view - the NuBSG on-screen versions also omit the bottom view). It's sadly very super-low res, as high-end CRT monitors back then probably only went up to 1024x768 @ 72 DPI, if you're lucky. 800x600 was more the standard.
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Then, many years later, came the PropWorx auction in 2009. I was deep into BSG at the time and I of course had to get the catalogs (couldn't afford anything else on there) and downloaded the PDF's, all of which I still have. I was browsing through the "Set Decoration" and "Set Piece" sections when lo-and-behold, I saw THIS on page 234 in book 1, with my name associated with it (highlighted in yellow):
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It was that very same 4-view schematic that I had posted on my site 12-13 years before. I can only assume that, despite its horrible inaccuracy, it was the only schematic of its kind in the world that came close to being accurate. Well, as you might image, I damn near shit my pants over this. The nerdgasm was strong in this one on that day, I can tell ya. Then a few months later, book 2 came out and sure enough, there were apparently 3 more uses of that same design (although didn't mention me - again, I'm okay with that, they didn't need to mention me at all - ever):
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You can actually even catch a glimpse of one of those in the "Weapons Control Room" area behind the tactical station in the CIC set:
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Pretty sure it was the one listed on page 246 - Lot 676 "CIC Pillar Translight Panel", as it's the only one with the beveled corners, which that one also has.

So, there you have it folks! Fan-made stuff does sometimes make it to the big-time. My little 15 minutes of fame.

OH! Almost forgot - in 2008, right before I found out they used my old drawings, I revisited the schematics based on photos of the original filming model I had since gotten a hold of. I really wish I had done this years before so it could be used instead of that older thing, but the source material simply wasn't available back in the 90's. It's still not 100% accurate - the head is a little off and the main central body is a little too narrow, but it's a metric ass-ton closer to what it should look like:
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And I have the original vector PDF available for download here who really want to check out the details. Built using Adobe Illustrator. I'd say I put in about 400-500 hours in on that one. Enjoy! :)
 
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The one thing that annoys me about this subject is when comic book artists blatantly steal fan-made artwork and use it in their comics, usually without any credit to the original artist (which admittedly might be hard to find, but they shouldn't be stealing the designs in the first place.)
 
Yeah, I remember a bunch of the FASA designs showing up in some of the more recent Trek books. IIRC, the Loknar-class frigate was a particular favorite. Granted, FASA's Trek property is long gone and I'm not sure anyone knows who made all those things, but I agree with you in general. Credit should be given where credit is due. The only exception should be official productions, as it's all theirs to begin with and they don't need to. In fact, they may be legally bound not to, lest they get into some legal entanglements with the artists. Franz Joseph's estate knows all about that! :)
 
Yeah, I remember a bunch of the FASA designs showing up in some of the more recent Trek books. IIRC, the Loknar-class frigate was a particular favorite. Granted, FASA's Trek property is long gone and I'm not sure anyone knows who made all those things, but I agree with you in general. Credit should be given where credit is due. The only exception should be official productions, as it's all theirs to begin with and they don't need to. In fact, they may be legally bound not to, lest they get into some legal entanglements with the artists. Franz Joseph's estate knows all about that! :)
I like that Resurrected Starships will do renders of the FASA designs. Mostly because they genuinely are good concepts either as pre-evolution forms of movie era concepts, or logical progression points.

I'm grateful for you sharing the things youv'e done.
 
Quite welcome. This is actually the first time I collected all the different pieces of that effort and posted them all in one place. About 28 years in the making! :)
Rather flattered you're sharing here. I would ask that you get in touch with the internet archive for the sake of digital scan preservations and a prop museum if at all possible for the physical bits? As Hurricane Helena has shown with varying tech youtubers based in north carolina? While personal collectiosn are expansive? They are.... one bad day away from un existing.
 
Already ahead of you on that one - I have all my archives recorded on either data BRD's or DVD's, in a water/fireproof/EMP-proof safe. I honestly don't trust clouds and distributed online storage one bit. I deal with those things every day at work and they're nowhere near as resilient and robust as they're marketing them to be, especially since they're rarely ever configured properly to their fullest potential. The ones my systems are running on are only 3 years old and slowing down horribly due to too much customer-mandated overhead, bogging down the CPU cycles and filling up storage with overly-verbose logging. It's one thick slice of P.I.T.A. bread. My backups are always going to be old-school. :)
 
Already ahead of you on that one - I have all my archives recorded on either data BRD's or DVD's, in a water/fireproof/EMP-proof safe. I honestly don't trust clouds and distributed online storage one bit. I deal with those things every day at work and they're nowhere near as resilient and robust as they're marketing them to be, especially since they're rarely ever configured properly to their fullest potential. The ones my systems are running on are only 3 years old and slowing down horribly due to too much customer-mandated overhead, bogging down the CPU cycles and filling up storage with overly-verbose logging. It's one thick slice of P.I.T.A. bread. My backups are always going to be old-school. :)
Well I mainly suggested Internet Archive because they're non profit and they take backups pretty bullishly. Plus, as Jason Scott would say.

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So having your own backups is great. Just explaining my reasoning.
 
Yeah, I remember a bunch of the FASA designs showing up in some of the more recent Trek books. IIRC, the Loknar-class frigate was a particular favorite. Granted, FASA's Trek property is long gone and I'm not sure anyone knows who made all those things, but I agree with you in general. Credit should be given where credit is due. The only exception should be official productions, as it's all theirs to begin with and they don't need to. In fact, they may be legally bound not to, lest they get into some legal entanglements with the artists. Franz Joseph's estate knows all about that! :)

I wasn’t so much referring to FASA, as they were once officially licensed by Paramount and the artists were paid to make their artwork. I’m more referring to Average Joe Star Trek fan who draws up a ship, posts it online, and then some comic artist sees it, copies it, and takes credit for the work (or at best doesn’t acknowledge that it wasn’t his original design because he didn’t know who drew it.) A couple of times when this has happened, the original fan will see their work in the comic (or someone else will point it out to them), and they’ll usually just be content that their work was used even without their permission. But there have been times when the artist contacted the comic company about it and would get rebuffed because it wasn’t copyrighted art, just fan art. That’s what really annoys me, just the way things like that were handled by the guilty party. And usually the artist just wanted credit, not like they wanted money or anything.
 
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I wasn’t so much referring to FASA, as they were once officially licensed by Paramount and the artists were paid to make their artwork. I’m more referring to Average Joe Star Trek fan who draws up a ship, posts it online, and then some comic artist sees it, copies it, and takes credit for the work (or at best doesn’t acknowledge that it wasn’t his original design because he didn’t know who drew it.) A couple of times when this has happened, the original fan will see their work in the comic (or someone else will point it out to them), and they’ll usually just be content that their work was used. But there have been times when the artist contacted the comic company about it and would get rebuffed because it wasn’t copyrighted art, just fan art. That’s what really annoys me, just the way things like that were handled by the guilty party. And usually the artist just wanted credit, not like they wanted money or anything.
Yeah, I can think of a half-dozen cases off the top of my head. It happens a lot with Star Wars, but there are Trek examples (the comics we were talking about, where artists seem to be using Google image search to find pictures of a ship to trace, without checking if they're official pictures, or even the right ship sometimes), and then there was a time a fan-model of the Space Jockey room in Alien was used as a base for concept art of the same area in Prometheus.

The Star Wars ones are wild, though. It's like they've got some kind of compulsion to rip off Ansel Hsiao. Even after official Star Wars books started commissioning him for images, his stuff was still being taken without credit by other Star Wars books.
 
I think it's the SNW/DSC Constitution, straight up. The vertical lines on the saucer correspond to the wide Excelsior-style impulse deck that extends over the back half of the saucer.

And looking at the other games (Cardboard Chaos, Ferengi's Fortune, one featuring the Cosmic Koala), "The Captain's Chair" looks very familiar. There's a hint of a ship visible on the game art (maybe an STO Luna-class variant), but the on-screen interface reminds me of 25th Anniversary/Judgement Rites, or maybe the SNES version of Starfleet Academy.


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It's fan art of the Cerritos, from before her reveal. The artist posted on Twitter about it, but I can't remember who or find the post now
 
The one thing that annoys me about this subject is when comic book artists blatantly steal fan-made artwork and use it in their comics, usually without any credit to the original artist (which admittedly might be hard to find, but they shouldn't be stealing the designs in the first place.)
It's happened quite a few times in Star Wars. And not just in books/comics, one of the pre-rendered trailers for the video game The Force Unleashed used a fan made Star Destroyer model.

The creator of the model, Ansel Hsiao (known as FractalSponge online) had worked with LucasFilm Publishing before to make renders of his models for some of their books (with some of his designs of mentioned but not previously seen ships becoming canon), but the use of that model in the trailer was not done with his permission. Because of that he stopped putting up public download links of his models and you have to contact him to get access.

Some of his own renders of his models have also been traced by artists in comics.

There was a comic that had traced an image of 3D printed miniature rebel ships (for home brew tabletop game) in an issue, with the tabs for where the stands would connect still in the art!
 
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I've been busy with year-end stuff again, but quickly:

5x06:

- I get the right to privacy, but wouldn't ELECTRIC POWERS be something on an official record after a medical or two?

- It's great that the Cerritos HAS wide enough corridors you can drive the equivalent of a golf cart down.

- The USS Reseda is crewed by a bunch of "reformed Maquis" (except for Olly, apparently?), and is known as a "nasty" ship. We've heard of crewing starships exclusively be species before, but apparently it's by criminal background too? Also, the Maquis were effectively exterminated (save Voyager's complement of... 30-40 people?) some 7-8 years ago now. How many would be left, and would they still want to identify as Maquis? I'm guessing it's more a ship of misfits and even Olly had trouble fitting in.

5x07:

- Are temporally accelerated planets so commonplace that you'd let two non-specialists supervise transport? Even on taquito night?

- How long has the Cerritos been without an SSO? Tendi must have reported to SOMEONE since she transferred over. Winston Binger Jr. has been around the whole time (at the Lt. jg rank) and no one bats an eye.

- T'Ana doesn't like being the default plastic surgeon. Maybe that' s why she forgot to disguise the inside of Tendi's mouth?

- What ARE those horns made of? Repurposed forehead matter from the subject? Were they somehow replicated in place by the doodad? On other TNG occasions, it's literally prosthetics and wigs. But on SNW occasions, it's literally injections.

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On other TNG occasions, it's literally prosthetics and wigs.
Trek seems to run the gamut in terms of how to disguise people. We've seen them use cosmetic surgery, make-up, masks, genetic modifications, holo-tech...
 
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