Either Rand went to the Academy later in life, after Kirk's Enterprise, or Sulu gave her a field promotion to Commander to hold the position of XO on the Excelsior. If she chose to leave the Excelsior, then the field promotion would have gone away.
Why Didn't Harry Get Promoted?
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Either Rand went to the Academy later in life, after Kirk's Enterprise, or Sulu gave her a field promotion to Commander to hold the position of XO on the Excelsior. If she chose to leave the Excelsior, then the field promotion would have gone away.
I thought that too, until "Latent Image". The EMH is doing holographic scans of assorted personnel. His files indicate that Neelix is a Crewman.
It's been a long time since I've been through VOY but didn't Harry Kim die in the ep where Naomi W is introduced? Only to be replaced by a duplicate Harry jumping from a duplicate Voyager through some anomaly at the end (with a duplicate Naomi in his arms).
Does the living Harry get to assume the dead Harry's life without pause?
Does the living Harry get to assume the dead Harry's life without pause?
The spacial schism couldn't duplicate antimatter.
Two Voyagers.
One with antimatter, and one with out.
Firstly we followed the story of the ship with no antimatter where fetal Naomi died.
That's the fake ship.
On the Real ship, with antimatter, that was being threatened by a Kazon boarding party, real Kim, took real alive baby Naomi away to live on the fake Voyager, because she was innocent, and did not sign up for this shit, and apparently fake Janeway needed a replacement Kim, for the corpse she was mourning, rather than a second Tuvok.
Kim and Seven and Naomi were the only real people on the ship, by the time they got to Earth.
OR!!!!
The spacial schism destroyed the original Voyager and created two equally almost as good as the real thing Voyagers with corresponding not exactly authentic crew.
Nothing was real, and nothing matters after season 2.
Vidiians, not Kazon, boarded the ship.
Not seeing the difference?
Most of the crew were already dead because they were getting their organs harvested.
The Kazon were never that deadly. (Even when they took over the ship in "BASICS, PART I", instead of just killing the crew, they were put on a planet.)
Knowing her crew were already carved up is what made Janeway set the auto destruct.
Prime Directive.
Dirty hillbilly aliens are not allowed unfettered use of Federation technology.
Also doomed Janeway was trying to stop the Trabe from figuring out there was a second Voyager to loot.
I agree that she also was trying to make sure the other Voyager wouldn't get discovered, and the Prime Directive would be a reason to self destruct to prevent the Kazon from getting the technology.
But the Vidiians were still the ones we see in "DEADLOCK". And they are much deadlier and smarter than the Kazon.
Well, if you're absolutely certain that you think it was the Voth in Deadlock, that's cool, but I still think it was the Kobali.
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Yes. Because they are the exact same Harry, with at most a few hours of differing experiences. And remember, both crews were equally alive and equally dead. On one side of the proverbial mirror, Harry and Naomi died. On the other side, everyone except Harry and Naomi died. All died. All survived. The alternate Harry had the same Starfleet training and experience as his counterpart, so that was not a legitimate excuse to keep him stuck at ensign.
It was the Vorsoth. Didn't you play Elite Force?
AFAIK, Rand as XO is at best speculation -- though plausible -- and her only confirmed billet is as Chief Communications Officer and probably Gamma Shift Duty Officer per Flashback.
However, neither of those things contradict my initial point that she was a Yeoman (and therefore likely an enlisted petty officer of some description) while on the Enterprise.
But they are not the same Harry. Unless Voyager retrieved it off-screen, dead Harry's body is still adrift in space. So there are still two Harrys and IMO, the doppelgänger shouldn't get to carry on the life of the one who died in the line of duty.
I suppose one could always ask Lt. Thomas Riker how sucky it is to be the duplicate.
But Geordi clearly states that both Rikers are equally real. The same was true of both Harry's. And even if Harry B did have to start over at zero seniority, he was STILL way overdue for a promotion.
Simply because the chain of command is more important than the rank in Starfleet. Star Trek has made this clear.
TOS/TAS: Scotty being the second in command, despite McCoy being promoted to commander a year before Scotty
TNG: Data never gets promoted throughout the series, despite being a Lt. Cmdr and Troi and Beverly both outranking him as commanders.
ENT: Reed becomes second officer after Trip transfers to Columbia. And after Trip’s return, that did not change despite Redd being ranked Lt. and Trip being ranked a commander.
With Voyager, since responsibilities are divided between the Starfleet and Maquis crew, Kim does not rank very high in the command structure. If the Maquis were not on the ship, Kim would possibly be second officer despite being an ensign and leapfrog Lt. Carey in responsibilities.
TOS/TAS: Scotty being the second in command, despite McCoy being promoted to commander a year before Scotty
TNG: Data never gets promoted throughout the series, despite being a Lt. Cmdr and Troi and Beverly both outranking him as commanders.
ENT: Reed becomes second officer after Trip transfers to Columbia. And after Trip’s return, that did not change despite Redd being ranked Lt. and Trip being ranked a commander.
With Voyager, since responsibilities are divided between the Starfleet and Maquis crew, Kim does not rank very high in the command structure. If the Maquis were not on the ship, Kim would possibly be second officer despite being an ensign and leapfrog Lt. Carey in responsibilities.
Well, that depends on who you're counting as part of "the Maquis".
At the launch of Voyager it's likely Lt Stadi was the Acting Second Officer as the senior Bridge officer onboard, though it's possible that the Chief Engineer outranked her.
Rollins (Tuvok's initial deputy) appears to have been intended as her initial replacement based on early scripts, but due to being identified as an Ensign on-screen likely would have dropped down in the chain-of-command assuming that Tuvok and/or Paris are still available. Alternatively, LT Andrews (Rollins' "replacement" by the end of the series, who was also referenced in PRO) could have been tapped.
There's also two VOY episodes that clearly indicate title is above rank.
In "TWISTED", Lt. Baxter finds Kim in the corridor, and asks Kim if he should report to his duty station. Aa a senior staff officer, and more importantly a Bridge officer, he had authority over the higher ranked Baxter.
In "DISPLACED", when Paris and Torres are in that frozen environment, he orders her to stay awake and keep moving. She says he can't order her because they are the same rank, which he replies, "I'm a Bridge officer and I've got seniority."
You can even argue this as a third example... "UNIMATRIX ZERO, PART II". When Paris sees Chakotay in the Ready Room, he mentions that since Tuvok is off the ship, it makes Paris acting XO. Which makes sense, since Paris wears a command division, unlike Kim.
In "TWISTED", Lt. Baxter finds Kim in the corridor, and asks Kim if he should report to his duty station. Aa a senior staff officer, and more importantly a Bridge officer, he had authority over the higher ranked Baxter.
In "DISPLACED", when Paris and Torres are in that frozen environment, he orders her to stay awake and keep moving. She says he can't order her because they are the same rank, which he replies, "I'm a Bridge officer and I've got seniority."
You can even argue this as a third example... "UNIMATRIX ZERO, PART II". When Paris sees Chakotay in the Ready Room, he mentions that since Tuvok is off the ship, it makes Paris acting XO. Which makes sense, since Paris wears a command division, unlike Kim.
Lower Decks' "Fissure Quest" has been aired, and it is the perfect explanation of why Harry Kim never got promoted.
The ship found countless alternate Kims, all ensigns, and one lieutenant commander. And just being LT is enough to make him drunk with power, to the point of stealing a ship and leaving everybody else behind to bring all the Kims to his universe so they get promoted (??), multiverse be damned.
#JanewayWasRight
The ship found countless alternate Kims, all ensigns, and one lieutenant commander. And just being LT is enough to make him drunk with power, to the point of stealing a ship and leaving everybody else behind to bring all the Kims to his universe so they get promoted (??), multiverse be damned.
#JanewayWasRight
Yes, that's a problem. No sign of this in Harry Kim in "Before and After" (unless marrying the daughter of Tom Paris and Kes counts as this).
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