What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[MAGolding]

The tons of apparently human "aliens" on all these planets they run in to are actually humans from generation ships (or suchlike) who haven't been caught up on the "modern" era.

That first appeared in TOS which was just a few centuries in the future. If TOS had been set thousands of years in the future, and if slower than light interstellar colonization went on for millennia before warp drive was invented, and if warp drive was very new in the era of TOS, they could have discovered many planets settled by colonists from Earth thousands of years ago. But the chronology of TOS and Star Trek in general does not allow enough time for many lost Earth colonies to be founded and be rediscovered.

By theory is that the human-looking aliens didn't come from Earth after the invention of interstellar travel, but where taken from Earth by advanced alien societies such as the Preservers centuries and millennia earlier.

 

[Daedalus]

Ok, random thought of the day.

The odd-numbered TOS Movies, while often being cited as inferior to their even-numbered counterparts, have the better soundtracks.

 

[Tallguy]

Ok, random thought of the day.

The odd-numbered TOS Movies, while often being cited as inferior to their even-numbered counterparts, have the better soundtracks.

As with the (false) "Even numbered movies are better" rule, 3 causes problems. I've given up on rating the scores of 2 vs. 3 and I just call it a tie.

But otherwise? Good call. (I LOVE 4, though. And how can you not at least like 6?) But Jerry does put unfair weight on the scale. And you did say "better".

 

[137th Gebirg]

I’ve always personally preferred James Horner’s scores. Despite his infamous propensity to recycle whole instrumentals, the nautical feel he gave to the atmosphere was unparalleled, IMO. His “Stealing the Enterprise” track from TSFS still gets me a little emotional, even to this day, 40 years later. I was devastated when I heard he died. So talented and way too soon. I would have loved to hear another Trek score from him. IIRC, Nick Meyer wanted to bring him back for TUC but the budget wouldn’t allow it.

 

[BillJ]

They should have never called it Earth Starfleet. It is canon that it was called UESPA, and that is the name they should have used.

Didn’t they work UESPA in, later in the show?

 

[FredH]

That first appeared in TOS which was just a few centuries in the future. If TOS had been set thousands of years in the future, and if slower than light interstellar colonization went on for millennia before warp drive was invented, and if warp drive was very new in the era of TOS, they could have discovered many planets settled by colonists from Earth thousands of years ago. But the chronology of TOS and Star Trek in general does not allow enough time for many lost Earth colonies to be founded and be rediscovered.

By theory is that the human-looking aliens didn't come from Earth after the invention of interstellar travel, but where taken from Earth by advanced alien societies such as the Preservers centuries and millennia earlier.

I used to have a theory that the various “alien human” species were the descendants of the crews of starships whose warp drives malfunctioned and deposited them arbitrarily far in the distant past — including all the ships this will happen to in the future, which haven’t happened yet at the time we encounter their descendants.

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

Why does this only happen to humans? Why aren't there millions of species identical to Vulcans or Klingons?

 

[Tallguy]

Why does this only happen to humans? Why aren't there millions of species identical to Vulcans or Klingons?

Because they're already human descendants. The real aliens are the Tholians and the Medusans and the Horta.

This is why Zephram Cochrane has planets named after him. He INVENTED Warp Drive! (Yes, yes, discovered the Space Warp.)

I LOVE Star Trek set in the farther future! Heck, we could fit Firefly into Star Trek!

 

[cooleddie74]

Didn’t they work UESPA in, later in the show?

They work it in as late in the franchise as Season 7 of VOY ("Friendship One") and Season 4 of ENT ("Demons").

 

[cooleddie74]

 

[kkt]

There WAS a Hamlet 2 movie which was laughed out of town, though it wasn't meant to be taken seriously anyway. An American production.

Really? How could that even work? (Spoiler Alert)


Everybody died at the end of Hamlet! there would be no one left to be in the sequel.

 

[cooleddie74]

Hollywood FOUND a way.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

Really? How could that even work? (Spoiler Alert)


Everybody died at the end of Hamlet! there would be no one left to be in the sequel.

Dost thou forget Horatio and Fortinbras?

 

[137th Gebirg]

You shot who in the what, now?

 

[cooleddie74]

Alas, poor Moderators, you knew us well.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Really? How could that even work? (Spoiler Alert)


Everybody died at the end of Hamlet! there would be no one left to be in the sequel.

It's actually a comedy about a High School putting on a production of Hamlet 2 written by it's drama teacher.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_2

 

[Nerys Myk]

They should have never called it Earth Starfleet. It is canon that it was called UESPA, and that is the name they should have used.

That was retconned out with James R. Kirk and Vulcanis in the first season. TV is funny that way.

 

[Tallguy]

Oh I KNOW Hamlet! And what he might say with irony, I say with conviction. "What a piece of work is man!"

 

[Commander Troi]

Rarely is, at least or especially for people who loved one version, a successor also embraced and James Bond is a very good example, very rare for people who love Connery or Dalton to not declare that Moore was a freaking CLOWN, for those who claim that Craig saved the series to not claim Brosnan was an embarrassment (although there at least they do usually blame the writers a lot more).

Call me Rarely. Moore was my first Bond but I've seen them all and love them all. Each actor brought something interesting and unique to the character IMO.

There WAS a Hamlet 2 movie which was laughed out of town, though it wasn't meant to be taken seriously anyway. An American production.

It is IMO extremely funny. My hubby and I force it on people.

Kinda wish we had a few explicitely sleeper/generation ship plots in TOS so we could see how non federation human settlements are handled compared to the non human non federation settlements.

Jankom, the Tellerite in Prodigy, is from a sleeper ship. If they ever go back to those characters, I'd love to see them do more with it.

 

[Shawnster]

Really? How could that even work? (Spoiler Alert)


Everybody died at the end of Hamlet! there would be no one left to be in the sequel.

Somehow Palpatine Hamlet returned