The duplication of the Melbourne also wasn't intended to be lore.
STO: Both Worlds: Battle of Wolf 359
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This is not remotely the same thing.
If there is a glitch/bug to fall out of a level in the games Elite Force 1 or 2, does that mean it's lore that Munro can occasionally walk through walls?
Being able to use saucer separation in the TFO is an oversight in the game, it's not a feature, and not lore.
If the next release of these ships allow players to equip the saucer separation console on them, then it will be lore.
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It doesn’t behave like a bug, though. It’s not like experiencing rubber banding in STO, for instance.
It’s not so different from seeing Sisko’s misplaced combadge in “Rapture” and calling it a uniform variant.
Goofs happen and occasionally they can make sense, again like the two Melbournes.
It’s not so different from seeing Sisko’s misplaced combadge in “Rapture” and calling it a uniform variant.
Goofs happen and occasionally they can make sense, again like the two Melbournes.
Yes it does. The saucer pet doesn't spawn after separating and it reappears back on the ship.
I'm done arguing about this nonsense. Let's get back on topic.
STO is introducing a bundle to celebrate the game’s 14th anniversary.
Presumably, its contents will be based around the Battle of Wolf 359.
That includes bringing TNG-era ships and 25th century versions of them into the game!
Those on the image are based on the Cheyenne and Niagara class, respectively.
I presume they’re the “Ahwahnee class” and “Princeton class”. Visually, I get PIC s3 design vibes from these two.
Presumably, its contents will be based around the Battle of Wolf 359.
That includes bringing TNG-era ships and 25th century versions of them into the game!
Those on the image are based on the Cheyenne and Niagara class, respectively.
I presume they’re the “Ahwahnee class” and “Princeton class”. Visually, I get PIC s3 design vibes from these two.
Hmm - Liberator as a Centaur-class, eh? Didn't quite expect that. Tolstoy too now (sort of placeholders?)
Had her maybe pegged as a Freedom-class.
USS Hoagland now gone - but was only in the novels anyway. Roosevelt - significantly reinterpreted, I see.
Nice that they kept the USS Righteous in. Also they include Shi'kahr class ships - but maybe back then, were supposed to be Surak class?
Shi'Kahr and Vesper were updated to have been TNG era starships. Recently, the Aurora and Horizon class starships were updated to TMP-era starships and the Quasar became a PIC era starship. The Excalibur class became a sister class to the Sovereign.
I love that STO finds new purpose for launch-era ships by redesigning them to fit older time periods, in particular TMP and TLE.
A small part of me is irked that, in-universe, a some of the 24th century starship classes are not unique, new designs anymore but "just" newer models of 23rd century ships. Like the Nova and Aurora, Akira and Matsumoto, Olympic and Horizon. Yet I'm putting the "Type 0" skin on ships to see how they could look in the TOS era...
I do the same with the DSC era ships to see how they would serve in the TOS era.I love that STO finds new purpose for launch-era ships by redesigning them to fit older time periods, in particular TMP and TLE.
A small part of me is irked that, in-universe, a some of the 24th century starship classes are not unique, new designs anymore but "just" newer models of 23rd century ships. Like the Nova and Aurora, Akira and Matsumoto, Olympic and Horizon. Yet I'm putting the "Type 0" skin on ships to see how they could look in the TOS era...
Like a Malachowski class with TOS Miranda nacelles!
and having them in the TOS colour scheme
Ooo yeah
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See, now if the DSC season 1 ships looked like this, it would have been just fine.
Yeah, thanks. One thing I find a bit frustrating about ST Online now is the almost constant retcons, such as this. It can really muddle some things up (and character histories, of course)
And yeah, the Excalibur IS a sister class to the Sovereign. That does not mean it launched right away, I'd argue, however.
Whilst the 'Picard Era' is of course, a bit stretchable, covering anywhere from 2391 to 2408 depending on how you thread it into the game...
Registry numbers have always been dubious, but Discovery has pretty much put the nail in the coffin of them being completely meaningless. Discovery was explicitly a new, cutting edge ship in the 2250's with registry NCC-1031... Enterprise, which had launched a decade prior, is of course NCC-1701.
Of course, Enterprise will also be explicitly a new, cutting edge ship in the 2270s (and we got that from the captain and engineer who were in charge of the ship, not a random murderer who was impressed by how clean the floor of the shuttlebay was). And even in season one and two, they said more than once that the Enterprise or Constitution-class ships in general were better than Discovery.
Yes, but we’re talking about BoBW during the TNG era, which had the most consistent and chronological registries of any point in Trek history.
They didn't necessarily say they were "better", they were implied to more prestigious.
The 2270's issue is irrelevant to this. Enterprise launched in 2245. Discovery is definitely considered to be a new ship as of 2256. We don't know exactly when it launched.
The only way the 2270's comment could have any relevance is if at any point Discovery was implied to have been a refit of an older vessel that may have launched earlier. We get no indication of this. I could see an argument made for that, given the Crossfield-Class that appears in SNW that has a similar aesthetic to Enterprise.
I don't hate this. It helps with some of the aesthetic issues that Discovery has. The (what is closer to) the TOS aesthetic is older... that's 2240s era. 2250's tech has moved along towards the Discovery look, which then within another decade or so blends into the Movie-Era. Shenzhou throws a monkey wrench into all of that though, looking like a Discovery-era ship but is supposed to be a much older vessel, but I think I could even fudge that enough.
So... while I still don't think registry numbers need to be in order, even with some of the oddities we can make it work.
Kind of. For bigger name ships they work, but there are still some wild numbers out there for more background ships.
Yet I'm putting the "Type 0" skin on ships to see how they could look in the TOS era...
I put Type 0 on everything. Not sure what it is, I like the clean, sleek look but it makes EVERY ship look better. I tend to use either Type 0, Defiant, or I use the straight blocked out colors from the Caelian when available.
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Could you be more specific?
I can pull up a bunch of ships but by and large, the TNG-era was fairly consistent with registries as long as the ship in question was something being focused on. If the registry numbers came from more of a background type thing, a computer readout, etc. they can vary quite wildly.
One example are registries of Constellation-Class ships.
| USS Constance | NCC-10367 | Destroyed | 2367 | |
| USS Constellation | NX-1974 | Class Protoype | Active | 2293 |
| USS Hathaway | NCC-2593 | Active | 2368 | |
| USS Stargazer | NCC-2893 | Retired, preserved at Fleet Museum | 2401 | |
| USS Victory | NCC-9754 |
These numbers are crazy all over the place. Constellation should have been built prior to Excelsior...
Also compare to Constitution-Class
| USS Cayuga | NCC-1557 | Destroyed at Parnassus Beta | Destroyed | 2259 |
| USS Constellation | NCC-1017 | Destroyed by unknown antiproton weapon | Destroyed | 2267 |
| USS Defiant | NCC-1764 | Lost in spatial interphase | Missing | 2268 |
| USS Enterprise | NCC-1701 | Destroyed | 2285 | |
| USS Excalibur | NCC-1664 | Wrecked by friendly fire; Providing medical assistance | Active | 2384 |
| USS Exeter | NCC-1672 | Abandoned over Omega IV | Abandoned | 2268 |
| USS Hood | NCC-1703 | Active | 2268 | |
| USS Intrepid | NCC-1631 | Consumed by space borne amoeba | Destroyed | 2268 |
| USS Lexington | NCC-1709 | Active | 2268 | |
| USS New Jersey | NCC-1975 | Preserved at Fleet Museum | Preserved | 2401 |
| USS Potemkin | NCC-1657 | Active | 2293 |
For this discussion focusing on representations in the TNG era, i'll ignore USS New Jersey, which is we consider the entire canon, was built immediately AFTER Constellation.
These are also all over the place, but in fairness many of these were established pre-TNG. But if we are saying that registries are sequential, that means USS Defiant was not far off from USS Constellation.
