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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

The Crisis trilogy was better than I expected. I felt it would be redundant after the Arrowverse Crisis, but it managed to tell a very distinct story with different emphasis, and drew on elements of the original story that the Arrowverse version didn't or couldn't adapt (like a certain iconic cover image). I felt successive installments got weaker, but the first one had a strong core story about the Flash, and the second one told a nice story about Supergirl. The trilogy also retroactively brought more unity to the Tomorrowverse, picking up continuity threads that the previous movies skipped over. One of the Tomorrowverse's biggest flaws was that it was barely a series, just a scattering of self-contained stories with only cursory continuity nods here and there. This concluding trilogy tied a lot of plot and character threads from the previous movies together and gave it more unity, even if it was too little, too late.

I liked the choice of Supergirl as Harbinger and Constantine as Pariah, tying those roles into established characters and building on their storylines to give more weight to the CoIE characters/elements. The Monitor learning empathy through caring for Supergirl was a lovely story. Using Constantine to tie the Tomorrowverse directly into the previous animated continuity, making it retroactively all one series, was an interesting choice, although maybe an unwise one given what an anticlimax the unfocused, hit-and-miss Tomorrowverse was after the generally strong and well-unified Animated Movie Universe. Especially since the climactic revelation is Constantine admitting it was a mistake to create the Tomorrowverse in the first place.

I did find it odd that the story relied on the premise that the multiverse shouldn't exist and needed to be wiped out. It's close to how the original comics did it, but these days multimedia franchises seem to be all about embracing the idea that their various different screen continuities are alternate realities in a multiverse, like the 2014 TV Flash meeting the 1990 TV Flash, or the Tom Holland Spidey meeting the Maguire and Garfield Spideys. Of course, all these multiverses don't really reconcile with each other at all -- for instance, there's no way to reconcile the multiverse physics of the DCEU The Flash with the Arrowverse -- but it's surprising in the current media climate to see a story come right out and explicitly preclude the possibility that its multiverse could be reconciled with others. Although that kind of contradicts it tossing in the Super Friends and the DCAU as parts of its multiverse.
 
For me, it already started going downhill in season 4. I still need to watch the final season.
For us the same, it was a real struggle to finish season 4
I think four was probably the show's strongest season. Outstanding in every way. (There's a reason it took home the Saturn Award that year, against such stiff competition as the splendid Black Lightning.) But hey, each to their own.
 
I think four was probably the show's strongest season. Outstanding in every way. (There's a reason it took home the Saturn Award that year, against such stiff competition as the splendid Black Lightning.) But hey, each to their own.

The message it wanted to send was powerful and indeed, something the world needed to hear at that time. And still does.
The way it was done was hamfisted, not subtle and forced in such a way it felt cringe. Which is a pity, because if it was done right, it might have actually reached the people it needed to reach. Instead, it only affirmed to the people that already preach these lessons that they are right.

When you try to reach the ignorant, you don't shout in their faces. You reach them with subtle hints, not with blunt forced trauma. To me, that is what season 4 was.
But yeah, each to their own.
 
Sorry, don't see it. The metaphor was clear, yes, as was the show's POV on the subject, but episodes like "Man of Steel" and characters like Manchester Black complicated the narrative in thoughtful and effective ways. Supergirl was sometimes guilty of didactic storytelling, but not everything that has a political theme is automatically artless -- and in my opinion, season four was anything but.
 
To me DC films are backwards; they are so out of order that's why JL was such a failure.

If you're referring to the theatrical version of Justice League, that was a failure thanks to WB dragging Whedon over to a DC movie, trying to turn it into another quip-battered, senseless film he was known for making, which no one invested in the established DCEU wanted to see by any stretch of the imagination. The result was Snyder's vision almost entirely removed / re-shot and had little to do with the underlying narrative of the films which preceded it. Hence the reason for the audience call for Snyder to complete his true vision in Zack Snyder's Justice League, which carried the narratives of the preceding DCEU films (relevant to the story) forward. Watched in that order, the films are adapted DC at their finest.

I don't even agree with james gunn leading dc as it just brings more questions

Indeed, considering his exiting track record with DC. That said, all we can do is wait and see what comes out of this latest of WB exercises.

Maybe someday DC will find it's order but for now it's a mess. Too many changes and not enough order.

Changes brought on by WB trying to be what its DCEU supporters never wanted it to be
 
The first four seasons of Supergirl were great, and I will brook no dissent. :luvlove:

I dropped it at season 4, and I hated season 1, but I thought that Seasons 2 and 3 were solid. Not The Flash Seasons 1-3 & 5 Amazing or Arrow Season 1-3 Great, but solid. Seasons 2 and 3 had some problems (Blueberry brainiac was lame, and don't get me started on what they did to Mxy and the Music Meister), but I liked them a lot and it put the Arrowverse Supergirl, as a character, on the same level as the AV Flash and Arrow to me.

That said, Supergirl Season 4 fell to what I call the Arrowverse Season 4 Curse: Literally every Arrowverse Show that made it to Season 4 has their worst season with Season 4, except Legends of Tomorrow. Seriously, Flash, Arrow and Supergirl all had absolutely horrible Season 4's, and I really don't know what factors played a role in that. Arrow became Felicity (co-starring The Arrow), The Flash had a horrible villain in The thinker and ruined Harry Wells (and don't get me started on "Elongated Man" and "Sue Dearbon") and Supergirl became Obvious Message Told Stupidly: the series.

Its interesting because I never stopped liking Supergirl as a character and I liked seeing her and Martian Manhunter in crossovers, but I just couldn't deal with the show post S4. I did think that Jon Cryer was a surprisingly good Lex Luthor...in Infinite crisis, which is the only time I've seen him as Lex because he didn't join Supergirl until long after I stopped watching.
 
I never went back to any of them after crisis tbh.

Crisis definitely works as a finale to the Arrowverse in general. I know I couldn't stand The Flash for long after Crisis, its last few seasons were especially bad and it felt like it went on 3-4 years past where anyone wanted it to go.
 
I thought about watching Legends of tomorrow but never got around to it. Really lost interest in most of them. When they separated the Superman show into a different universe I knew all of it was pointless and there was no post crisis vision and I stopped every last one of them. And then that weird Batman show..... Everything after crisis defeated the point of solidifying everything in crisis.
 
My problem with Supergirl in the seasons after season 4 was the writers and or whoever made big decisions. Wanting nearly every character to become some kind of super, really that annoyed the heck out of me why did every character have to be a super?
 
The first Supergirl comment in a while I've agreed with. Yes, it was indeed a problem that the writers could not figure out how to keep their "civilian" characters interesting and relevant to the plot without eventually giving them powers, costumes, and/or codenames. It actually started back in the second season with the random desperation move of turning the rudderless James Olsen into Guardian, but became really ridiculous and damaging to the show in the later seasons when Kelly took up the Guardian mantle, Alex became Eye Makeup Lass or whatever (yes, I know it was actually "Sentinel"), and gobsmackingly dumbest of all, Lena became a witch. :wtf: Man, those last couple of seasons were fiascos.
 
The first Supergirl comment in a while I've agreed with. Yes, it was indeed a problem that the writers could not figure out how to keep their "civilian" characters interesting and relevant to the plot without eventually giving them powers, costumes, and/or codenames. It actually started back in the second season with the random desperation move of turning the rudderless James Olsen into Guardian, but became really ridiculous and damaging to the show in the later seasons when Kelly took up the Guardian mantle, Alex became Eye Makeup Lass or whatever (yes, I know it was actually "Sentinel"), and gobsmackingly dumbest of all, Lena became a witch. :wtf: Man, those last couple of seasons were fiascos.

I at one point of time called Alex Raccoon Girl
 
The first Supergirl comment in a while I've agreed with. Yes, it was indeed a problem that the writers could not figure out how to keep their "civilian" characters interesting and relevant to the plot without eventually giving them powers, costumes, and/or codenames. It actually started back in the second season with the random desperation move of turning the rudderless James Olsen into Guardian, but became really ridiculous and damaging to the show in the later seasons when Kelly took up the Guardian mantle, Alex became Eye Makeup Lass or whatever (yes, I know it was actually "Sentinel"), and gobsmackingly dumbest of all, Lena became a witch. :wtf: Man, those last couple of seasons were fiascos.


Please refresh my memory. How many of these were before crisis that I should recall completely? LOL
 
Ya'll stuck with those shows way longer than I was able to stomach. :D
After a while, I let everything drop off but my very favorites: Supergirl and Black Lightning. The latter was pretty strong all the way to the end, though the final season suffered somewhat in comparison to what was consistently superb television for its first three years. Supergirl's last two seasons basically fell off a cliff in terms of quality, but I hung in loyally to the bitter end (and was occasionally rewarded by resurgent episodes like the delightful "Prom Night!" time travel two-parter, and the emotional series finale).

Of course, I'm also watching the Arrowverse's last gasp in the form of Superman & Lois, which has been pretty fucking great (with the second season being its weakest point, but still well worth seeing).
 
After a while, I let everything drop off but my very favorites: Supergirl and Black Lightning. The latter was pretty strong all the way to the end, though the final season suffered somewhat in comparison to what was consistently superb television for its first three years. Supergirl's last two seasons basically fell off a cliff in terms of quality, but I hung in loyally to the bitter end (and was occasionally rewarded by resurgent episodes like the delightful "Prom Night!" time travel two-parter, and the emotional series finale).

Of course, I'm also watching the Arrowverse's last gasp in the form of Superman & Lois, which has been pretty fucking great (with the second season being its weakest point, but still well worth seeing).
Correct me if I'm wrong but that isn't even part of the arrowverse in any way? Other than using the same actors that the arrowverse version was using....
 
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