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First Contact: epic starship destruction question!
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That’s definitely one opinion.
If this is meant as an insult, you failed spectacularly. Anyway, were you disappointed that we did not get to see the Endeavor in First Contact?
Not an insult, an observation.
You gonna stop obsessing with me and talk Star Trek? You're starting to creep me out.
@Boo-khat! and @Admiral Jean-Luc Picard, you are each dangerously close to a warning here.
Remember that we deal with “post, not poster,” and that we all have our reasons for being here. So I’m telling you both to cool it.
ETA to @Ricky Spanish: Let’s return to Star Trek, okay?
Remember that we deal with “post, not poster,” and that we all have our reasons for being here. So I’m telling you both to cool it.
ETA to @Ricky Spanish: Let’s return to Star Trek, okay?
Rick Berman was in charge of both First Contact and Deep Space Nine. There is zero chance that something that occurred in one would be permitted to be ignored in the other. Further, Ron Moore was the co-writer for FC and was on the writing staff of DS9. Simply put, the angry disagreement you are referring to didn't happen.
I like that there's these questions being asked about stuff. I don't make posts much so I like when someone else does the heavy lifting.
I haven't finished the original draft but it has one of the coolest opening scenes I feel and I've wanted to see that animated. I wasn't a fan of the draft's Borg ship busting torpedoes though, it's too much like the stuff in "Endgame," reducing the threat the Borg really are.
I haven't finished the original draft but it has one of the coolest opening scenes I feel and I've wanted to see that animated. I wasn't a fan of the draft's Borg ship busting torpedoes though, it's too much like the stuff in "Endgame," reducing the threat the Borg really are.
You quoted post #10, but this was already resolved in posts #13 and 14.
Yeah, it was Behr who wouldn't let them destroy the Defiant.
Ironic, given that the Endeavour was the only survivor of the last Borg/Starfleet battle (Wolf 359).
At least I'm guessing it was, since its captain (Amasov) survived long enough to give a detailed report.
The Defiant was never going to be destroyed in any draft of the film according to Moore. Behr didn't stop them from destroying it, the issue was it wasn't clear in the draft of the script that Behr read that the Defiant survived.
Read the rest of the thread after my post, I already went over all this.
The disagreement had been resolved, so there was no point in bringing it up again.
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The FC Endeavour was a new ship, newer than the Nebula class ship from TNG.
How do you know that?
For what it's worth, Memory Alpha says that it's the Nebula version in FC.
I disagree that it had been resolved. If the disagreement had already been resolved, why are you still trying to explain the real situation to people? Regardless, why should you care if someone else also offers an explanation?
Because I’m specifically referring to the Endeavour that Eaves made a design sketch for in preproduction, which was going to be destroyed by the Borg until they decided to replace it with the Defiant.
No they don’t. They said that the Nebula class we see in FC was unnamed.
But the Endeavour was still at that battle (in the comm chatter, we hear somebody say "Flagship to Endeavour, stand by to engage..."),.
Now the specific Nebula that we actually SEE during the battle, may or may not have been the Endeavour. But the fact remains, the ship was there, and it was a Nebula. And yes, MAlpha does say so. Linky
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Memory Alpha said:
Because someone (not you) apparently skipped most the thread and missed that it had already been explained.
Because your post repeated what I had already said.
Yes, a ship named the Endeavour was at the battle. But the discussion was about a scene where a ship got destroyed by the Borg, which was replaced by the Defiant being in the movie to give Worf an excuse to come aboard the Enterprise. That former ship happened to have the name ‘Endeavour’ but was not associated with the comm chatter or the Nebula class ship we saw on screen. MA just linked the two together without any actual evidence that it was the same ship.
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