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How do/did you feel about the return of the Enterprise-D?

Mom's do weird things. Picard was in danger almost weekly on the TV show, in all 4 movies, and probably regularly between films. Picard and Crusher weren't married, she didn't have an obligation to sick around. Wesley left the Enterprise to go travel the galaxy with that Traveler guy. She lost a husband to death and a son to the cosmos. It's natural that she freaked and bolted. I don't blame her. Now, 20+ years later and still keeping it secret? That's a bit much.
 
It's not Seven's fault Starfleet was too ignorant to give her a commission in 2378, no matter how hard Janeway fought for her. I'm glad they finally saw the light after Picard finally gave her a field commission at the end of PIC S2.

Had Starfleet given her a chance, she would've been in Starfleet for 23 years by PIC S3. So, right or wrong, I consider it them not penalizing her for lost time. ;)
But it's not earned. Being ex-Borg and with 4 years of experience on Voyager, nothing wrong with skipping the Academy. Give her a mid-rank commission, but straight to XO and then Captain a few months later?
 
It's not like Picard was some abusive prick she had to hide from. Picard deserved to know he was a father. She took that experience from him without even giving him a chance. It was pretty much character assassination, in my opinion.
 
It's not like Picard was some abusive prick she had to hide from. Picard deserved to know he was a father. She took that experience from him without even giving him a chance. It was pretty much character assassination, in my opinion.
My argument is not based on whether she is right or wrong. My argument is that it's a realistic response to danger as a pregnant mother. Bolding is realistic, even if wrong. However, the longer she keeps Jack from Picard, the more selfish it becomes. Both made valid arguments. Is she right? No. Is what she did realistic? Yes.
 
Mom's do weird things. Picard was in danger almost weekly on the TV show, in all 4 movies, and probably regularly between films. Picard and Crusher weren't married, she didn't have an obligation to sick around. Wesley left the Enterprise to go travel the galaxy with that Traveler guy. She lost a husband to death and a son to the cosmos. It's natural that she freaked and bolted. I don't blame her. Now, 20+ years later and still keeping it secret? That's a bit much.
It's not the running; it's the secret. He's literally on a broadcast condemning Starfleet and didn't bother to reach out? That's evolved humanity? That's responsible?
 
Why are Seven and Raffi a couple in S2? No foreshadowing in S1, forgotten in S3.
It was foreshadowed in the final scene of the S1 finale where we see the two of them holding hands. That itself was improvised by Jeri Ryan and Michelle Hurd the day the scene was filmed.

Nor was it forgotten in S3, it gets mentioned on a few occasions. It is established they had broken up though.
Where was Elnor, Laris, and Soji in S3?
Laris was in S3. She has a brief cameo in the premiere where she says she's off to some planet where Picard agrees to meet up with her. It's become a popular internet meme that he did not keep his promise.
 
It was foreshadowed in the final scene of the S1 finale where we see the two of them holding hands. That itself was improvised by Jeri Ryan and Michelle Hurd the day the scene was filmed.
Outside of this moment, did the writers or even Ryan and Hurd do anything to establish this nascent relationship between Seven and Raffi in season 1? I remember being confused at the time when everyone was saying they were in a relationship at the end of the season but I don't remember any work put in to set it up.
 
Outside of this moment, did the writers or even Ryan and Hurd do anything to establish this nascent relationship between Seven and Raffi in season 1? I remember being confused at the time when everyone was saying they were in a relationship at the end of the season but I don't remember any work put in to set it up.
No, it was something Ryan and Hurd thought up in the moment with no prior foreshadowing.
 
It's not the running; it's the secret. He's literally on a broadcast condemning Starfleet and didn't bother to reach out? That's evolved humanity? That's responsible?
Evolved humanity, not perfected humanity. Picard almost let his revenge against the Borg kill everyone on the Enterprise in First Contact. Worf let a Romulan die in a S3 episode of TNG. Bashir kept his genetic engineering secret most of his life until revealed in a S5 episode of DS9. Janeway had some serious issues in select episodes of Voyager where Chakotay, who should be the one reigned in, had to reign Janeway in. Tuvok had some serious anger issues by Vulcan standards. I know he's not human, but still. I can keep going, but the point is even in the happy 24th century, humanity is not perfected, and people in this comfy future can be just as flawed as humans have always been. Fear can screw with anyone regardless of evolved sensibilities.

Have you never been afraid to the point of at least considering leaving the way Beverly did?
 
It was foreshadowed in the final scene of the S1 finale where we see the two of them holding hands. That itself was improvised by Jeri Ryan and Michelle Hurd the day the scene was filmed.

Nor was it forgotten in S3, it gets mentioned on a few occasions. It is established they had broken up though.

Laris was in S3. She has a brief cameo in the premiere where she says she's off to some planet where Picard agrees to meet up with her. It's become a popular internet meme that he did not keep his promise.
#1 That's not foreshadowing, anyone can hold hands, it's too interpretive. I've held hands with a guy, doesn't mean I'm gay for him. I've held hands with a woman. Doesn't mean I'm dating her. To me, hand holding is just hand holding, without context, it's just hand holding.

#2 I didn't mean forgotten in a literal sense. I mean forgotten from the audience point of view. If you only watched S2 once and don't remember it well, you might have forgotten the Seven / Raffi thing. "They broke up? Wait, were they together? Did I forget something?" That's what I was going for by "forgotten."

#3 We don't know Picard did not keep his promise. It's simply not addressed. For all we know, Picard-Crusher didn't work out and he returned to Laris. Then again, Picard & Crusher could have come to see Laris. Maybe Picard came to see Laris, but she tells him to go to Crusher, knowing he still has feelings for her. Lots of ways this could play out, and I feel cheated that it's just not addressed in the finale. Laris was put on a bus.
 
Evolved humanity, not perfected humanity. Picard almost let his revenge against the Borg kill everyone on the Enterprise in First Contact. Worf let a Romulan die in a S3 episode of TNG. Bashir kept his genetic engineering secret most of his life until revealed in a S5 episode of DS9. Janeway had some serious issues in select episodes of Voyager where Chakotay, who should be the one reigned in, had to reign Janeway in. Tuvok had some serious anger issues by Vulcan standards. I know he's not human, but still. I can keep going, but the point is even in the happy 24th century, humanity is not perfected, and people in this comfy future can be just as flawed as humans have always been. Fear can screw with anyone regardless of evolved sensibilities.

Have you never been afraid to the point of at least considering leaving the way Beverly did?
It goes against what is portrayed of Crusher and het commitment to people in the show. It goes further of the lecture of the first duty.

Keeping a secret from a father for 20 years is not something I could consider doing. Fear may drive people to do intense things but it smacks up against the standard presented by the characters in TNG.
 
It goes against what is portrayed of Crusher and het commitment to people in the show. It goes further of the lecture of the first duty.

Keeping a secret from a father for 20 years is not something I could consider doing. Fear may drive people to do intense things but it smacks up against the standard presented by the characters in TNG.
If the argument is, "but this doesn't jive with TNG-Crusher nor movie-Crusher," I can totally buy that as a valid criticism. However, I'll counter that we have consistently watched Dr. Crusher across S1, then S3-7 and Generations. From there, we get to see her deal with the Borg and crazy-Picard in First Contact, the whole Ba'ku crisis in Insurrection, and the only meaningful scenes in Nemesis are with Picard. That's 3 brief adventures over an 8-year window, then we catch up to her 22 years later. It's plenty of time for her to grow and change, even if in the wrong direction a bit.

She's not the first woman to hide a son from his father. In her mind, she did the right thing, at least up until Picard lost his senior-synthetic shit and rightly so.
 
If the argument is, "but this doesn't jive with TNG-Crusher nor movie-Crusher," I can totally buy that as a valid criticism. However, I'll counter that we have consistently watched Dr. Crusher across S1, then S3-7 and Generations. From there, we get to see her deal with the Borg and crazy-Picard in First Contact, the whole Ba'ku crisis in Insurrection, and the only meaningful scenes in Nemesis are with Picard. That's 3 brief adventures over an 8-year window, then we catch up to her 22 years later. It's plenty of time for her to grow and change, even if in the wrong direction a bit.

She's not the first woman to hide a son from his father. In her mind, she did the right thing, at least up until Picard lost his senior-synthetic shit and rightly so.
20 years? No, believability broken especially since they are not safe and half to be rescued so it makes the "I need to keep my child safe so I'll go out in to the dangerous edge of Federation territory. Surely nothing bad will happen there."

It's all extremely dramatically convenient and smacks of plot contrivances.
 
20 years? No, believability broken especially since they are not safe and half to be rescued so it makes the "I need to keep my child safe so I'll go out in to the dangerous edge of Federation territory. Surely nothing bad will happen there."

It's all extremely dramatically convenient and smacks of plot contrivances.
Wasn't a big part of what was going on was Jack Crusher being as adventurous and as hardheaded as Jean-Luc before he got stabbed in the chest and got his robo-heart? Like father, like son? Add on top of that the fairly recent Jack-hunting that ended up being the Changelings sending people to find him.
 
Wasn't a big part of what was going on was Jack Crusher being as adventurous and as hardheaded as Jean-Luc before he got stabbed in the chest and got his robo-heart? Like father, like son? Add on top of that the fairly recent Jack-hunting that ended up being the Changelings sending people to find him.
Beverly is literally right there. Jack wasn't kept safe and the excuse falls flat.

They were getting medical supplies and Jack and Beverly were working together. So what was the point?
 
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