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What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?

Just watch the Orville if you want a reboot. There's no need to screw around with the one thing Star Trek has that no other science fiction series can ever ever have: Star Trek's ongoing universe.
It's not screwing around with it. The stuff still exists and doesn't stop existing because of a reboot.

And, no, I don't want the Orville which shows a captain who can't succeed unless his ex pulls strings. F that noise.

Is the ongoing the universe seriously the only hook to enjoy it?

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I'm a Kelvin Timeline fan, I don't mind the occasional Elseworld, but even Disco's future timeline feels too removed from the regular setting for me to care about what happens in it much. It's not what I'm invested in.
I just don't get that. But, I'm the weird guy who gets invested in characters. All the worldbuilding and lore in the, um, world will not get me invested in a show with characters I don't care about. See TNG and VOY and ENT.
 
Really? That’s what you got out of The Orville? Did you actually watch the show past the first episode?
No. That's not the only thing I got out of the Orville. I thought it was just ok, but did not like the character dynamics. I thought "Pria" and "The Krill" were very well done. But "Cupid's Dagger" was a bridge too far for me when I was not all about the characters, and then "Home" seemed unnecessarily cruel to Alara's father so I was done.
 
I crafted a reply in another thread about DSC.
Basically if they set it as a 25th century Trek then fans would have liked it from the beginning rather than colletively groaning about "another prequel??".
Now I wait for fireproof78's wrath (of Khan?) :p
I wouldn't like DISCO better if it played in another time.
But that's just me...
 
I wouldn't like DISCO better if it played in another time.
But that's just me...

Actually, if it had been envisioned as taking place sometime after TUC (and there was a rumor to this effect going around at the time IIRC), and Burnham had been older Spock's protege (like Saavik and Valeris before her) rather than his adopted sister/Sarek's adopted daughter that we knew nothing about, and have T'Kuvma's faction be against the peace treaty Azetbur forged with the Federation, then I think the show would have worked better. Far better than trying to shoehorn it into ten years before TOS.
 
I'm a Kelvin Timeline fan, I don't mind the occasional Elseworld, but even Disco's future timeline feels too removed from the regular setting for me to care about what happens in it much. It's not what I'm invested in.
Same here. DSC had to leave it's timeline setting and go too far in the future which kind of destroys any interest in the 2400-3000 era of storytelling.
Actually, if it had been envisioned as taking place sometime after TUC (and there was a rumor to this effect going around at the time IIRC), and Burnham had been older Spock's protege (like Saavik and Valeris before her) rather than his adopted sister/Sarek's adopted daughter that we knew nothing about, and have T'Kuvma's faction be against the peace treaty Azetbur forged with the Federation, then I think the show would have worked better. Far better than trying to shoehorn it into ten years before TOS.
Christ on a ladder that's just pretzelling it too hard LOL. All they had ot do was put it in the 2450s, brand new setting and bring in brand new aliens/villains/arcs whatever.
But that's too much work.
 
Please explain to me how that is any better or worse than the shoehorning they actually did.
Its not, I am saying creating storylines not 'stuck' in the 23rd century should be very easy, certain Trek-book writers have been doing it for years.
It's the Hollywood bigwigs that can't seem to move past that timeline.
 
Its not, I am saying creating storylines not 'stuck' in the 23rd century should be very easy, certain Trek-book writers have been doing it for years.
It's the Hollywood bigwigs that can't seem to move past that timeline.
They're just going where the money is. Even he novels have found the 23rd century, specifically TV series era TOS novels to be the best sellers. Indeed, the fact that Trek XI was a TOS reboot was one of the biggest selling points of that movie.
 
Number One's line at the end of Season 2 of DSC that all the Enterprise's holographic projectors have been ripped out and won't be coming back was both a relief and a sign the producers were starting to learn their lessons, and one of the turning points for Kurtzman Trek.

It was also dumb as shit. I seriously doubt a naval captain can have approved technology ripped out of their boats. Beyond that, the holographic projectors would just be translating whatever is being sent over comm channels. So, ships are still going to be subject to certain types of attacks, even without holo projectors.

Best thing any show can do when they flub something, is to simply ignore it and move on.
 
I thought it was badass.

Looking for an edge in combat is about as surprising as technobabble in Trek.
yet those two bits, the super serum and the musical, were the extreme bits that convinced me this isn't EVEN a rebooted timeline, but in universe entertainment the TOS cast is playing. M'Benga and Chapel as action super heroes, and the musical episode, was too much for me.
 
yet those two bits, the super serum and the musical, were the extreme bits that convinced me this isn't EVEN a rebooted timeline, but in universe entertainment the TOS cast is playing. M'Benga and Chapel as action super heroes, and the musical episode, was too much for me.
In a universe where you can get telekinesis and superspeed from ingesting a pill and a liquid, a steroid granting increased strength and stamina is hardly extreme. We have drugs today that do that. TK and superspeed? Not so much. The musical is just the latest variation on the anomaly of the week makes the crew do odd things trope. Again, hardly extreme. Anomalies love to put our crews through their paces.
 
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yet those two bits, the super serum and the musical, were the extreme bits that convinced me this isn't EVEN a rebooted timeline, but in universe entertainment the TOS cast is playing. M'Benga and Chapel as action super heroes, and the musical episode, was too much for me.
We all have our line

I minded the musical but the super serum? Why not?

And I don't have a problem with any of these shows being in universe entertainment. I don't care if it's literal history or in universe dramatization.

Mileage will vary
 
In a universe where you can get telekinesis and superspeed from ingesting pill and a liquid, a steroid granting increased strength and stamina is hardly extreme. We have drugs today that do that. TK and superspeed? not so much. The musical is just the latest variation on the anomaly of the week makes the crew do odd things trope. Again, hardly extreme. Anomalies love to put our crews through their paces.
The trouble with the musical is I want Star Trek to trick me into thinking that what I'm watching could plausibly happen, not trick me into thinking I'm watching Buffy.
 
No idea what that even means.
The writers wanted to do their version of the Buffy episode Once More With Feeling and just changed 'magic' to 'anomaly' in the script, but they're not equivalent.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer's setting allows for magic that can intelligently manipulate reality, so people can cast a spell that makes everyone start expressing their true feelings through spontaneously generated song. In Star Trek you can certainly play music or mess with people's minds, but when music comes from nowhere the question should become "What intelligence or mechanism is responsible?" as there's nothing natural that can cause that.
 
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