Voyager ending

[voyage trekie]

what did u guys think of voyagers ending?
What were u expecting as the ending to voyager? Also if you could rewrite voyagers ending how would u have had it end?

 

[NCC-73515]

Where were the time cops preserving the timeline (like Relativity)?
Bringing super tech from the future to blow up cube after cube was like cheating in a game.

 

[The Lonely Man]

I thought it was terrible, I hated that we had to resort to time travel and Borg technology to get the ship home. Tuvoks illness came out of nowhere and gave us no time to emotionally invest in it all, for a character who had been around since the pilot I thought he was treated really poorly here.

It was a long time ago now but I dunno, I felt cheated a little, we waited 7 years, traversed the Delta quadrant together, grew to love and care for these characters the best we got was a Super duper Janeway from the future with cheat tech to get the ship home ?

A cop out.

I don't know what I'd have done different, but I know what I like and what I don't, I didn't like the Voyager finale.

 

[Dukhat]

Where were the time cops preserving the timeline (like Relativity)?

They were too busy arresting their own agents for screwing up the very timeline they were meant to be protecting. Remember Braxton?

Voyager's ending was a complete mess. Hey, look, the Voyager crew eventually got home! And their lives are pretty much fine. Well, except for Chakotay (who died ten years before of a broken heart over a relationship with 7 of 9 that came out of freaking nowhere) and 7 of 9 dies too for plot reasons. Oh, and Tuvok went crazy. But despite all that, Old Janeway wants to essentially erase a timeline in which everything is basically fine, so that 7 won't die and that she can continue to have that aforementioned came-out-of-nowhere relationship with Chuckles, which we find out from Prodigy:

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also went nowhere.

And after all the silly Borg shenanigans, by the time Voyager gets home the show ends and there is absolutely no time at all to find out what happens to the crew now.

Luckily, VOY was able to have a much more satisfactory follow-up with Prodigy, in which

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We see Janeway, Chakotay and the Doctor again after several years. We also see 7 of 9 in PIC, but that was much less satisfying of a return. Oh, and Tuvok isn't crazy anymore.

 

[at Quark's]

What I don't like about the Voyager finale is that Janeway essentially changes the timeline for selfish reasons, to save a few people she loves -as far as I can tell, no thoughts for the greater good of humanity involved-, and gets her way. Yes, adm. Janeway sacrifices herself, so in that sense she is not selfish perhaps, but only in the knowledge that a happier version of her will exist in the changed timeline. Tough luck for Carey, I suppose. He only died 4 weeks before but I guess he wasn't important enough for her to go back in time just one month further than those 26 years.

More in general, Janeway rarely gets to face the consequences of her actions, and even in those cases she often 'wins'. To a certain extent that's logical given their situation, given she's the top dog in the series - no superiors to correct her- , but still. She never had to pay the consequences for going too far with Lessing in Equinox for example, the way Sisko had when Starfleet took him off the Eddington case because he went too far. At least, we never saw it. When Chakotay tried to confront her, he got relieved of duty.

Granted, probably humanity is better off with the Borg hub destroyed and with future technology at their disposal. But it's still meddling with the timeline for personal advantage.

I mean, if this kind of time travel is OK, there's really no reason why Admiral Janeway (or someone else) couldn't go back in time to supply mid 22nd century Starfleet with some 24th century weaponry and make the Earth-Romulan have a more favourable outcome, with fewer Starfleet losses. But of course she won't because there were no close friends, so probably she would go hypocrite in this case, starting to lecture people about the 'temporal prime directive'.

That said, to be fair, Admiral Janeway isn't Captain Janeway who might invoke the Temporal Prime Directive, she's grown into a different person because of her experiences. Still, captain Janeway goes along with Adm. Janeway's plan.

 

[Tosk]

I'll just be kind and say I did not care for the creative choices they made.

 

[Lynx]

what did u guys think of voyagers ending?
What were u expecting as the ending to voyager? Also if you could rewrite voyagers ending how would u have had it end?

The last episode was horrible.

What i had wanted was a final showdown with the female caretaker, maybe a return of Kes and to see a real homecoming for the crew.

Instead we got an episode which insulted two-third of the viewers and bored the rest. A confusing time-jumping story with no plot whatsoever, the insulting Chakotay-Seven romance and no homecoming for our favorites.

I hadn't watched a single episode of Voyager since that episode in season 6. In the last possible minute before the episode started, I decided to watch Endgame. A decision I still regret.
It was crap!

 

[Dukhat]

The last episode was horrible....

It was crap!

It was still better than These Are The Voyages.

 

[Farscape One]

A few points about the finale...

1. Time travel is the main plot point.
2. A lead character has a brain disease.
3. Two Negh'Var type Klingon ships are used.
4. A lead character becomes an admiral in the future.
5. A lead character is dead in the future.
6. A Galaxy class ship is used.
7. A lead character leads a comfortable civilian life in the future.
8. Two lead characters get married in the future.

I could list a few more things, but I think "All Good Things..." was an outstanding finale!



Oh, wait... this thread is about "ENDGAME".

Well, suffice it to say it was a far inferior version of TNG's finale, considering how much was ripped right from it. (Considering Braga got story credit for this one and he co-wrote the TNG finale, I'm not surprised.)

It is still FAR superior to ENT's finale... at least the premise and story of this was about the crew of the series it is ending.

 

[Frontis]

Well, I guess everybody wanted the Voyager to get back home.
But it was just too much Borg for me in the last 2 seasons.
So I would have made an end without Borg.

 

[FredH]

I just found it too abrupt. BAM! They’re home; the end. There really should have been some emotional decompression time for the characters at the end of a seven-year ordeal.

 

[Oddish]

We wanted to see what happened to these characters. "Endgame" told us what didn't. The whole series was a mass of reset button hammering, and the finalewas the same. And consider how long it took us to find out what happened to... well, some of them.
Janeway: A year or so.
Chakotay: 20 years.
Tuvok: 21 years.
Seven: 19 years.
EMH: 23 years.
Paris: 20 years.
Torres: 20 years. Mentioned only.
Neelix: Never.
Kim: Never.

 

[Farscape One]

We wanted to see what happened to these characters. "Endgame" told us what didn't. The whole series was a mass of reset button hammering, and the finalewas the same. And consider how long it took us to find out what happened to... well, some of them.
Janeway: A year or so.
Chakotay: 20 years.
Tuvok: 21 years.
Seven: 19 years.
EMH: 23 years.
Paris: 20 years.
Torres: 20 years. Mentioned only.
Neelix: Never.
Kim: Never.

To be fair, Neelix was the only character who GOT an ending in VOY during its run with "HOMESTEAD".

A good and well deserved ending, too. Truthfully, we don't need anything more.

 

[HotRod]

It was still better than These Are The Voyages.

Not by much....

TATV at least had a little bit of grandeur to its ending with at least showing us Archer at the signing of the Federation charter, even if it was holographic. Plus, I'm an absolute sucker for that hug with T'pol, and that montage of Enterprises.

Voyager ended with all the grandeur of a wet fart. We're home, the end.

 

[Tosk]

I'm sure I'm not the first to say this but Endgame is exactly the kind of finale that should be expected from Star Trek Voyager. Love it, hate it, or somewhere in the middle...the show is true to itself from beginning to end.

 

[Oddish]

I'm sure I'm not the first to say this but Endgame is exactly the kind of finale that should be expected from Star Trek Voyager. Love it, hate it, or somewhere in the middle...the show is true to itself from beginning to end.

Uchhh... that is certainly true. Especially with poor Harry. The show proper stubbornly kept him at ensign for all seven years. And the finale showed that he had finally been promoted... only to erase that future and reduce him to ensign again. Quite possibly forever, in light of the status of the three TNG era nu Treks.

 

[Lynx]

It was still better than These Are The Voyages.

I gave up on ENT after five episodes so I never watched that episode.

Due to how bad ENT was, I'm not surprised that These Are The Voyages are worse than Endgame.

But when it comes to Voyager, they could have come up with something much, much better than that pathetic excuse for an episode.

 

[Oddish]

But when it comes to Voyager, they could have come up with something much, much better than that pathetic excuse for an episode.

Well, we were dealing with people who couldn't even handle counting to 38.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Using Borg transwarp conduits was pretty much exactly what I was expecting as soon as they showed up in the show.

I enjoyed the finale much more than most, and I'm glad the various characters have returned in other shows.

 

[at Quark's]

Well, we were dealing with people who couldn't even handle counting to 38.

Let's not judge them too harshly for that. After all, people who can count only 4 further than that know the answer to everything. Just not what the question is supposed to be.

Been thinking about my earlier response. Perhaps I'm coming down too hard on Janeway here. Kim, for example, does essentially the same in Timeless but that doesn't leave a sour taste in my mouth. Perhaps because in the end, he just tries to undo an action of the past rather than introducing a whole slate of future technology and killing off a major part of the Borg collective in the process, but still. And I can also understand how the weight of those losses must have been a cripping burden on the conscience of Admiral Janeway, so that she might eventually have come to this conclusion. (We get some indications during Voyager's run how the responsibility of 'getting them home safely' weighed on her, for example in Waking Moments).