But yeah, other than that stuff... Viva Italia!
Yeah! Sumerians invented civilization ... and Italians perfected it!
And the Irish saved it!
And I said "Sumerian codgers," not "Sumer." Nice try, though.
Yeah well...
Aaron McGuire
Trek's most ridiculous contentions...
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And the Irish saved it!
Yeah well...
Aaron McGuire
Aaron McGuire
I think the concept is founded on quantum physics (at least the re-imagined bit -- I know it was basically a way to save money on the production budget) which a lot of people have difficulty getting to grips with. I would certainly be reluctant to get into one of those things unless I was facing certain death if I didn't!
That the universal translator gives aliens weird accents. Hewmons!
They should all sound the same, with the same voices. Eddie Izzard for males, the Cadbury's Caramel Bunny for females.
They should all sound the same, with the same voices. Eddie Izzard for males, the Cadbury's Caramel Bunny for females.
The preservers must be very dumb and stupid.
They should have spent ALL THAT EFFORT on preserving themselves and expanding and populating the galaxies.
They must be incredibly stupid MF'S ....must be a bunch of DF'S.
Preservers.
They can't even preserve themselves.
Preservers a dumb idea.
I like preserved jam.
Actually the concept is based on classical physics, which wouldn't inherently disallow transporters. quantum physics on the other hand puts the uncertainty principle into play, which undermines the core requirement of a transporter device - to know the structure and position of every particle in an object precisely.
How do you know? Maybe they evolved into energy beings like the Organians and just went onto some new dimension of life?
But yeah, other than that stuff... Viva Italia!
Yeah! Sumerians invented civilization ... and Italians perfected it!
And the Irish saved it!
Yeah well...And I said "Sumerian codgers," not "Sumer." Nice try, though.
Aaron McGuire
Oh right! You reminded me of another one.
*The terrorism in Northern Ireland ultimately brought about peaceful reunification. Thank you, terrorist tactics
(The Next Generation). That was a terrible episode.
The entire point of the transporter was a fast way to get the crew on & off the planet... a plot device. However, like so much of TOS' ideas, it made people think "what if you really could make that happen?". As for not wanting to get into one... is your first name Leonard?
As for not wanting to get into one... is your first name Leonard?
Well, I suppose once the technology was proven to put people back together, consciousness and all, I suppose I would use it, but I sure wouldn't want to trial it!
OK with no. 4. Figure that some interbreeding could have occurred, giving Native Americans a more complex lineage than the other Terrans.
OK with no. 4. Also explains some of the lack fossil evidence of dinosaurs and fits with their rapid disappearance.
No particular problems, though time travel in itself is a messy paradox.
The holoprogram is a bit of a tough nut. I can't remember how many sequences they came up with and how many bits of code created the map, but the information seemed a bit meager to create a holoprogram. Maybe it was enough to tell a written narrative.
Probably not by itself only, but there could have been other factors at play. I'll have to rewatch it.
No problem there. This fits with the many worlds theory below.
Maybe derivation of the many worlds theory, or just exposing some of the mechanics.
Many worlds theory.
Wait, what!
OK. maybe there is some relativistic velocity which breaks a space barrier allowing occupation of all space at once (actually I think that is the speed of light, but in Trek we have exceeded it). If you reach that plane, you can simply step off and be anywhere (to be only in one place - where you choose) but what does that have to do with a Salamander again?
"Greco-Roman" is as meaningless as "Judeo-Christian."
But the Romans made great strides in engineering. I guess that counts as technobabble around here. But I rate it very highly.
Civilization south of Europe kept on trucking with the Arabs. The Irish only (?)saved some for the Europeans.
But the Romans made great strides in engineering. I guess that counts as technobabble around here. But I rate it very highly.
Civilization south of Europe kept on trucking with the Arabs. The Irish only (?)saved some for the Europeans.
Land will always be scarce.
Ah, but who determines what a "fair share" is?
That sounds appealing - in theory. "To each according to his need, from each according to his ability." But that didn't work in practice. Nor will it ever.
I'm not *offended* by it - I wouldn't mind living in a society like the Federation. I would never have to work a day in my life - I could just sit on my ass all day and have all my needs met. What's the downside to that?
I just don't believe it exists. The Federation has something called "credits", we all know that. What exactly this IS, however, is open to debate. It may not be money in the strictest sense - physical currency that can be carried around - but it's obviously some form of exchange. (Also there's lines like in ST II, "should the Federation wish to FUND these experiments..." and in ST VI, "I just BOUGHT a boat"
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A couple things -
Flint appealed to me because he was a regular human with an odd biological twist - instantaneous cell regeneration. In other words, he's just like everyone in Day of the Dove and the DS9 episode Battle Lines. Presumably, there is nothing superior about his brain, yet he accomplishes more than any person who ever lived. The message, to me, seems to be that humans are capable of extraordinary things, but are limited by the physical inferiorities of their bodies. Thus, as the learning process is streamlined (we know in the 24th Century young kids are learning Calculus [see When the Bough Breaks]) humans can develop their intellect to great levels previously only imagined by their progenitors. It adds some credence to Q's implication in Hide and Q that humans will one day be more powerful than the Q. Of course, all this hinges on the idea that instantaneous tissue generation is possible and that in thousands of years Flint was never in an accident that blew his head off or blew him up or vaporized him. The latter may be possible, the former seems a little tough to believe.
I also like the Preservers theory. It's a good way of explaining why so many species are humanoid, etc. as mentioned above. And I also don't see why their existence is inconceivable. If a super race was capable of exploring the galaxy and finding nothing, there is no reason they wouldn't leave traces of themselves everywhere to ensure their continued survival.
I also don't see why it's so hard to believe that the Preservers and those aliens from The Chase are the same. Yeah, they were supposedly from different time frames (hundreds vs. thousands, as mentioned above) but maybe their so old the timeframe is only an estimate.
Even more crazy - could the Preservers be 24th Century changelings? Maybe they evolved in to goo and once they learned to link secluded themselves on a single planet. If they had explored the entire universe and found nobody else around, they wouldn't have much else to do. Then over the centuries the knowledge of their past eroded and they had no recollection of their past. If nothing else, it would explain why the hologram in The Chase looked so much like the female changeling on DS9.
Flint appealed to me because he was a regular human with an odd biological twist - instantaneous cell regeneration. In other words, he's just like everyone in Day of the Dove and the DS9 episode Battle Lines. Presumably, there is nothing superior about his brain, yet he accomplishes more than any person who ever lived. The message, to me, seems to be that humans are capable of extraordinary things, but are limited by the physical inferiorities of their bodies. Thus, as the learning process is streamlined (we know in the 24th Century young kids are learning Calculus [see When the Bough Breaks]) humans can develop their intellect to great levels previously only imagined by their progenitors. It adds some credence to Q's implication in Hide and Q that humans will one day be more powerful than the Q. Of course, all this hinges on the idea that instantaneous tissue generation is possible and that in thousands of years Flint was never in an accident that blew his head off or blew him up or vaporized him. The latter may be possible, the former seems a little tough to believe.
I also like the Preservers theory. It's a good way of explaining why so many species are humanoid, etc. as mentioned above. And I also don't see why their existence is inconceivable. If a super race was capable of exploring the galaxy and finding nothing, there is no reason they wouldn't leave traces of themselves everywhere to ensure their continued survival.
I also don't see why it's so hard to believe that the Preservers and those aliens from The Chase are the same. Yeah, they were supposedly from different time frames (hundreds vs. thousands, as mentioned above) but maybe their so old the timeframe is only an estimate.
Even more crazy - could the Preservers be 24th Century changelings? Maybe they evolved in to goo and once they learned to link secluded themselves on a single planet. If they had explored the entire universe and found nobody else around, they wouldn't have much else to do. Then over the centuries the knowledge of their past eroded and they had no recollection of their past. If nothing else, it would explain why the hologram in The Chase looked so much like the female changeling on DS9.
the choice of evolutionary target, while idiotic for dramatic purposes and an odd connection between primates and salamanders (?), actually makes an interesting point - evolution doesn't make us better, it makes us better for our current environment. If the planet Paris and Janeway landed on would favour them becoming a weird salamander thing, that's where "hyperevolution" would take them.
I'm not defending the episode, its largely undefendable, but it is important to remember that evolution makes things different, it's not marching towards some pinnacle of uber-existence. If humans evolution for the next 50 million years was on a different world entirely, odds are the form that had an advantage would not be the same.
A couple things -
Even more crazy - could the Preservers be 24th Century changelings? Maybe they evolved in to goo and once they learned to link secluded themselves on a single planet. If they had explored the entire universe and found nobody else around, they wouldn't have much else to do. Then over the centuries the knowledge of their past eroded and they had no recollection of their past. If nothing else, it would explain why the hologram in The Chase looked so much like the female changeling on DS9.
More than likely the Changlings were one of the first races to result from the genetic seedings, since they said they used to be non-shpaeshifters.
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