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What has the new series done to ruin Star Trek this time?
- Thread starter Ray Hardgrit
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No monkeying around.
Even genetically, they are likely slightly different.
I don’t let anything spoil Star Trek for me. I resolutely refuse!
I have quite rigid definitions of what Star Trek is for me. I consider TOS and the first six movies to be THE Star Trek. That’s it. That’s my Star Trek world (plus TAS to a lesser extent). The original cast with the original actors and original stories.
I view subsequent shows, both good and bad, as kind of their own thing. I have a great nostalgic fondness for TNG (up until the latter couple of seasons which are dull and uninspired). I also love DS9 and in some ways consider it the high watermark of the franchise in terms of writing, acting, characterisation and structure. But they exist in a different headspace for me than TOS; they’re iterations of Trek but they’re not Star Trek-Star Trek for me. I see them as their own thing essentially.
Same with each subsequent series, most of which have ended up disappointing me and which I could happily live without. I quit watching both Voyager and Enterprise during their original runs. I didn’t let them ruin Trek for me because I didn’t acknowledge them as “my” Star Trek; just somebody else’s approximation.
That’s why I now feel okay about giving up on SNW; a show I was initially genuinely excited about but find almost offensively disappointing. For me, it has nothing to do with the TOS I love. It’s somebody else’s Frankenstein version.
I’d much rather just rewatch the episodes, the characters, the stories and actors I love and which are, for me, Trek.
Trek is ended for me and I’m fine with that.
I have quite rigid definitions of what Star Trek is for me. I consider TOS and the first six movies to be THE Star Trek. That’s it. That’s my Star Trek world (plus TAS to a lesser extent). The original cast with the original actors and original stories.
I view subsequent shows, both good and bad, as kind of their own thing. I have a great nostalgic fondness for TNG (up until the latter couple of seasons which are dull and uninspired). I also love DS9 and in some ways consider it the high watermark of the franchise in terms of writing, acting, characterisation and structure. But they exist in a different headspace for me than TOS; they’re iterations of Trek but they’re not Star Trek-Star Trek for me. I see them as their own thing essentially.
Same with each subsequent series, most of which have ended up disappointing me and which I could happily live without. I quit watching both Voyager and Enterprise during their original runs. I didn’t let them ruin Trek for me because I didn’t acknowledge them as “my” Star Trek; just somebody else’s approximation.
That’s why I now feel okay about giving up on SNW; a show I was initially genuinely excited about but find almost offensively disappointing. For me, it has nothing to do with the TOS I love. It’s somebody else’s Frankenstein version.
I’d much rather just rewatch the episodes, the characters, the stories and actors I love and which are, for me, Trek.
Trek is ended for me and I’m fine with that.
Actually, the line about Tuvok not yet hitting triple digits actually comes from season 6, so after Flashback despite them stating he should indeed be past a hundred already.
Even worse. 
Shhh, don't you know Star Trek continuity from 1966-2005 is without flaws, aside from the occasional minor mistake like Data's graduation date?
I haven't done the research, but that certainly sounds like a thing no one on Earth has ever said.Shhh, don't you know Star Trek continuity from 1966-2005 is without flaws, aside from the occasional minor mistake like Data's graduation date?
There's a difference between claiming something is flawless and saying it didn't make the huge breaks in continuity that some of the new shows do. There's a big difference between 'oops I wrote down 200 when I should written down 300', laziness over a torpedo count, and deliberate reinvention.
There really isn't.
Well you have
- Damn I wrote the wrong thing and no one caught it.
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That's a better answer.
The Berman-era writers making typos about fictional dates is not the same as the current showrunners EXPLICITLY stating that between their story desires and canon, they will purposely change the show's canon, even if it doesn't fit with TOS or the other past series.
AKIVA GOLDSMAN: (on the canon issues with the Gorn not fitting TOS) Because for me, storytelling beats canon. And that may not be popular, but it’s the truth. So when they can go hand-in-hand, great. But when I was writing the pilot, I was looking for something that was just monstrous, that was Cthulhu-like. Something that was unthinking. Our shows are empathy generators and I wanted to have an element which was in relief of that. I wanted something that you couldn’t identify with, something that was utterly alien, something that was all appetite and instinct in ways that we couldn’t quite understand. And I also wanted to signal place and time in a way that personally I found interesting. So you should definitely blame me for this one.
That's not someone fumbling for the date Data graduated from Starfleet Academy and fucking it up. That's the people in charge making conscious choices knowing that it does not track with what came before.And if Goldsman wants to do that, and go with his own vision, I have no problem with that. But I also don't see SNW as connecting to TOS either or being a part of its continuity.
This is just stupid if people think like that.
The stories are not more or less unreal than the other series.
Roddenberry was much the same.
That's not what they said. They said that storytelling is more important. They're 100% right. That doesn't mean they are going out of their way to destroy the canon, just that it's a secondary concern. Something that they're willing to bend, if they deem it necessary. There's absolutely nothing in Strange New Worlds that outright violates the continuity worse than any other Trek series that followed TOS. What few issues that are present can be easily explained with a little imagination and creativity.
Akiva Goldsman for Star Trek Legacy!!
But what happens to the storytelling when the viewer gets taken out of the story?
I thought Memento Mori, All Those Who Wander and Hegemony were fairly mediocre episodes, but I genuinely can't tell if that's because I can't reconcile the Gorn, I find the edgy Xenomorph ripoffs to be a bit ridiculous, or if the episodes were just kind of flawed overall.
That's up to the individual viewer. Ask those who saw TMP the first time and how to reconcile the new Klingons.
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