That's your take. My take is that he's referring to the ship as new even though it's just new to him. Just like how Decker referred to the TMP Enterprise as new because it was new to him.
Does Enterpise-A's short tenure make sense?
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That's your take. My take is that he's referring to the ship as new even though it's just new to him. Just like how Decker referred to the TMP Enterprise as new because it was new to him.
I'm not sure why that would make him unprofessional?
I'll go with the low mileage option.
For misrepresenting the condition of what he's charged with maintaining? Seems cut and dry, not knowing whether his ship is new or used.
I'll concede the point that it could have been rechristened, if it hadn't left spacedock yet. But flown even just one mission under the same or different name? Uh-uh, nope. That's no longer new. A test ride around the solar system? Eh. Maybe.
The Ti-Ho was a testbed ship. So it works for me.
Still not seeing any unprofessionalism here. Don't feel that you have to die on this cross.
Except, he didn't [link]:
Admiral, this is an almost totally new Enterprise.
Qualifiers matter.
My health is fine, dude.
Not really. Decker considers it a new ship, no matter what wording he's using.
Yeah, given what happens in the transporter room soon afterwards, I wouldn't trust what anyone says, who's been using those transporters regularly either!
The difference is, we KNOW that it's still the original Enterprise. We KNOW that, refits aside, it's still the same ship.
With the Enterprise-A, we're just guessing. There's no proof either way. Although, like I said, we can reasonably take Scotty at his word. If anyone would know whether or not a ship is truly new, it'd be him.
I mean, come on. One of the greatest engineers in Starfleet history, and we're questioning Scotty's knowledge?
By definition, there is no such thing as "beta canon". It's all or nothing.
Moving goalposts doesn't change the point being made.
Still not seeing why we can't interpret Scotty's line in a different way. The ship is either new, or new to him. And it's not Scotty who is actually talking. It's the scriptwriter who gave him the lines.
No, that language is not black and white.I mean, come on. One of the greatest engineers in Starfleet history, and we're questioning Scotty's knowledge?
He didn't necessarily mean that their new ship was newly built, but he was absolutely literal with his belief that it was built by actual monkeys.
Ugh. I've personally never understood the love some people have for that design. I've always thought it looked like an Enterprise-D that someone ordered from Wish. It's so.... unbalanced and awkward looking.
IMO
I don't think it's horrible. Just that it looks too much like the Galaxy class than it needs to be, and that can be confusing.
Funny story: When Generations came out, I went to see it in the theater with my gf at the time, who was not a Star Trek fan. When the movie was over and we left, she asked me why the captain went from having an American accent to having a British accent. Not immediately understanding what she was asking, I eventually figured out that she thought Harriman and Picard were the same guy only 78 years apart, and that the Enterprise-B and the Ent-D were the same ship, despite them not looking the same to Trekkies like us.
This, of course, is the fundamental reason why a movie like Generations is not remotely friendly to people who don't know anything about Star Trek. But even more, it showed that it's important to distinguish between two different ships, even for people who know the difference between an Excelsior class and a Galaxy class. That's why the Reliant in TWOK was a new model rather than a reuse of the TMP Constitution class with a different name, like what was originally envisioned. I think that if they went with Probert's version for YE, the audience would have been confused as to which ship was which, even with the battle damage and scarring. Sternbach's design at least looked different enough from the Ent-D that I doubt anyone would confuse the two. Plus I think it's just a better design overall.
I once had someone ask why I had "so many models of the same ship" when they saw my Eaglemoss collection.
I miss original Star Track.
I loved the light sabres and the funny robots.
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